Google's Pending September Update

I have seen some changes in geo...

[rishic]

Hello People,

Have been waiting for google's pending update but didn't get any on that. From last two days I have noticed extreme changes in search results for same google domain (like .com or .de or .nl etc.) with different interface language selected (like hl=de or hl=en or hl=nl). When you change the interface language the whole bunch of results are different.

Is this the actual update this time? Enabling the geo centric data which google wanted to implement for better localization? If yes (and if someone else is also seeing this change) then may be we can all identify the parameters of this new change, like language, servers in geographical locations or extensions (.de, .nl etc.)

-- rishi

[mjtaylor]

Time to be a bit more aggressive!

I sent a query once a long time ago ... through their Spam report page ... the site is basically a link farm/directory, and I can't quite see what the guy gets out of it ... there are no ads, he doesn't get commissions from any of the sites he features, and he scrapes content, and somehow that hasn't made any impact anywhere ...

But he does trade a LOT of links and that seems to keep him there ... on many, many keywords ...

[Abigail]

almost 13 months ago the bottom fell out for my well established site of 6 years, in Google. I tried everything, new back links, more content, renewing and reworking all my pages, and I have a lot of them. finally the last few days I have had a glimmer of hope, the traffic is picking up - but alas the light seems short lived for upon checking the data centres quoted herein the ones that appear to be the strongest are not the ones showing favor. yesterday I saw the site making a come back on 10 of the ip's not quoted here and today its been pushed back to 6 and that keeps coming and going. how cruel is that to hold out hope and then just pull it away again. you are a cruel master, Google!

[wiseapple]

Yes... That is the bummer. To have the carpet pulled out from under you.

We are still good on the 66.102.7.*. However, it was up to 9 DCs yesterday. It seems we are back to four. Hopefully the game is not up.

Lets hope everyone wins.

[Abigail]

just checked and same here - down to 4, now. and flopping on and off the same 66.102.7.. and my bottle of Tylenol is almost out.

[walkman]

>> and my bottle of Tylenol is almost out
chill out man. It sucks I know. My site got hit too, totally white hat. Not even exchange links but what can you do. Hopefully in a few days /weeks I'll be back.

[reseller]

Good morning Folks

First I notice this:

WWIII has started on the DCs which keep moving and shaking for my testing keyphrases.

And then I read what Matt wrote on his blog:

Danny Sullivan and Brett Tabke embrace spam

You add "Shaking DCs" to "Spam" and you get a "Dynamite" :-)

[sit2510]

IMO, this update seems to be and would be a pivotal event in SE games. Google has added some very crucial elements into its algo this time so as to diffuse the importance of inbound anchor text.

In my field, large sites gain grounds strongly and systematically in rankings for both competitive and less competitive terms, and of course, at the expense of small niche ones.

If the trend of this algo was to be continued and strengthened, it would be very hard for smaller sites to compete with the titans, and it would be very easy for the titans to dominate the markets by overwhelming the SERPS with web pages that can be simply generated from databases and linked those pages from its own "Trust" hub page.

At the end, you may need only 10-30 titans and you can be out of business!

[McMohan]

sit2510, good post, and quite likely true.

[lasko]

If the trend of this algo was to be continued and strengthened, it would be very hard for smaller sites to compete with the titans, and it would be very easy for the titans to dominate the markets by overwhelming the SERPS with web pages that can be simply generated from databases and linked those pages from its own "Trust" hub page.

Simply Put,

Focus your time expanding the content on your site and not just increasing inbound links.

These days the site age and unique content levels are the most important requirements for Google with a mixture of some important inbound links and clean non-Spam coding.

new sites have to earn respect from Google which comes over time and regular updating of content.

I find it easier to help promote (Not optomize anymore) older sites then newer versions.

[sit2510]

>>> Focus your time expanding the content on your site and not just increasing inbound links.

>>> These days the site age and unique content levels are the most important requirements for Google with a mixture of some important inbound links and clean non-Spam coding.

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That's a well-known fact, Lasko...not simply put, of course. It looks like you have not seen the progressive rank takeovers of those titans in a certain industry. Same faces, same sites came up every where throughout the world for that industry. I think those people who are in the similar field as mine would understand very well what I mean.

Expanding the contents until you're the 800 lb gorilla but you are still at risk to be exterminated because you are facing the titans...As I said earlier, you need only 10-30 titans and all gorillas would be very thin or faded away.

[wiseapple]

We were down to four... Now back up to nine.

Betting most of the stuff will go down this weekend. I am guessing that Google has had enough time to test whatever they are testing. Things should shift early Saturday, Sunday, Monday morning.

[peter andreas]

The frustrating thing is is that Google is not serving up good results with whatever they are testing.

If they keep these results users will leave in droves.

I use google as well as have a website (which is slowly dying ) and when I do searches for terms I'm interested (say in pop/rock music) I keep seeing te likes of amazon, oxford university press(!)some university in the US, come up and the sites I KNOW and use ( nothing to do with me. just that I use them amd have bookmarked them)are no where.

Try your own tests on trying to find sites you know to be useful with google, yahoo and the others. Just don't know what they are doing.

[stella_kl]

"The frustrating thing is is that Google is not serving up good results with whatever they are testing."

they are for my keywords ;o)

[Yippee]

Do you guys think this has anything to do with the Sept update? Google stock is now below the 300 mark. Personally, I am content with seeing them lose money like we all recent have.

[google.com...]

BTW, check out the 5D graph, it sheds the most light.

[theBear]

Yippie, that little blip really makes zero difference.

[nelsonfinch]

So in plain English what is the main reason for
specific sites to drop significantly on this last update. We were in the top 3 in 87 keywords for over a year and we must be punished?
We have a few nutritional sites that had links from Pharmacy's? Or hey! Want more trafiic pay for ad-words? We built our sites correctly and paid our dues over time to provide quality sites for these searches. Does anyone have clue to what google pulled this time?

Thanks
Nelson

[RunnerD]

Yes, what is the consensus on what is going on? What is the next step to take to get sites back up in the results? Or is it still a wait and see till things settle down?

[jmdb71]

im still seeing two distinct sets of results on different DCs. i think in another 5 days or so, we'll really be able to see exactly what google is doing and sticking with, and go from there.

believe me, im in the same boat - many, many legitimate sites that ranked well are being hit hard on this update.

[Garya]

Lets call it the (Google Demise update 2005).
All my sites still gone except 2 results are very poor.
80% of the real estate sites are gone also.

[jmdb71]

RESULTS 1

[64.233.161.105...]

RESULTS 2

[66.102.7.104...]

The above two urls give the different sets of results i am seeing on different google dcs. For me, Results 1 are not quite as bad as Results 2, but id like to go back to before this update/testing for sure!

[reseller]

These 5 DCs show the same results which are different from the rest of the DCs.

64.233.183.99

66.102.9.99
66.102.9.104
66.102.9.107
66.102.9.147

And I really donīt dare any more to call any DC as "Solid As A Rock". ;-)

[zafile]

1. "...what is the consensus on what is going on?"

2. "What is the next step to take to get sites back up in the results?"

[mattcutts.com...] is pretty straight forward:

1. "This is not targeted to sites like buy-my-cheap-viagra-here-while-consolidating-your-debt-and-buy-some-posters-about-online-casinos.com, but more for sites that have good content, but may not be as savvy about what their SEO was doing ...'"

2. "Are these sites penalized forever? No, they can return to the index if they correct or remove the pages that were violating" Google's guidelines.

[Atticus]

"Q: Are these sites penalized forever?"

"A: No, they can return to the index if they correct or remove the pages that were violating our guidelines."

So Cutts seems to confirm that a "bad" page will lead to the delisting of an entire site.

Just one more GREAT reason to continue to not use Google.

Gimme an algo that barfs up a list of the best matches based on a criteria of titles and text and I'll use my very own human eyes and brain to scan that list and click on the legit sites.

Will the REAL Bacon Polenta please stand up...

[steveb]

There is no consensus. Anyone offering one needs a reality check.

Matt Cutts commenst are entirely unrelated. Sheesh.

Only see minor everflux differences in the results on all the datacenters around here. Certainly none are "better" from a quality or "screwed up less" perspective.

[crankin]

I, for one, would bloody well welcome ANY feedback from G as to why they've simply dropped my site from the index altogether (PR whitebar, not grey). I won't go over it again, just say that it was a good clean authority site with many years of high PR that religiously kissed googletoes.

If I've crossed some line, can they please just say it and I'll fix whatever it is. It they need me to standby, I will gladly wait while they tinker on their end. But nothing - just *boom* gone, and no reply to my emails.

I would *love* to be able to gripe about my site being dropped in the SERPs, that would mean that at least I was still in the index!

Well, at least I'm still high in my niche on Yahoo and MSN...

[fathom777]

I have been watching the data centers that have the two different result sets. Right now, there are 13. That is the most I have seen since it happened.

My main site dropped from the first to the third page. It lost a lot of strength on the niche key words.

I am wondering if we might have a multiple sites penalty. The only other site in my niche that fell like we did is another group that has multiple sites. Neither of us have dupe content.

[mjtaylor]

RESULTS 1
[64.233.161.105...] <<< good for me (actually looks like old results to me with some minor differences, both positive and negative ... )

RESULTS 2

[66.102.7.104...] <<< disastrous for many of my sites.

My sites are not in any way 'black hat' seo'd ... yes, I have strong link exchanges on many sites ... and they might be "overoptimized' a bit ... as I tend to "try" everything and see how it works! And it usually does ... perhaps not anymore!

Yes, wait ... we have to wait and see how to recover ... there is no sussing it out until the fat lady has howled.

Cheers, MJ

[Garya]

[66.102.7.104...] <<< disastrous for many of my sites.

This would be disastrous for Google

[aeiouy]

I checked those two datacenters for a couple of keywords I use, and both showed identical results.

Not that it means anything, but I thought I would share.

[SEOTard]

everytime Google shifts their index, some folks are happy, some are mad.

It is just the way it is. If this latest change rolls out for good, it is incredibly good for our site. We have been down and out for several months.

So, I have to say, this change is HIGH QUALITY WEB INDEXING.

Way to go Google. The engineers got it right this time ;)