Google's Pending September Update

I have seen some changes in geo...

[rishic]

Hello People,

Have been waiting for google's pending update but didn't get any on that. From last two days I have noticed extreme changes in search results for same google domain (like .com or .de or .nl etc.) with different interface language selected (like hl=de or hl=en or hl=nl). When you change the interface language the whole bunch of results are different.

Is this the actual update this time? Enabling the geo centric data which google wanted to implement for better localization? If yes (and if someone else is also seeing this change) then may be we can all identify the parameters of this new change, like language, servers in geographical locations or extensions (.de, .nl etc.)

-- rishi

[Interent Yogi]

I have had one site completely drop out of Google. Another one, which was doing really well, has been hammered 100 plus searches that were top five now not in the top 50.
Plus another site top key word dropped 20 places.

Steve B this is an update. A switch/ Algo Change has definitely been implemented.
Changes like this just don't happen .

[newwebster]

Steve B this is an update. A switch/ Algo Change has definitely been implemented.
Changes like this just don't happen

I think steve B is right that this is not an algo change. I started to think it was early this evening but now I am seeing the start of merging indexes with old and new data:

[64.233.189.104 ]
[216.239.57.99 ]
[216.239.55.104 ]
[216.239.63.104 ]
[66.102.7.104 ]<still twitching>
[216.239.57.98 ]
[216.239.57.105 ]
[216.239.57.147 ]
[66.102.7.147 ]<still twitching>

[theBear]

For the Real Estate folks.

1,420 real estate site home pages up on a proxy and indexed by Google.

Supplemental listings going back at least to December 2004.

[optimist]

Seems all the supplementals might be detrimental. Lost good rankings using good techniques.

Typing in text from my site shows hundreds of supplementals all duping my site with proxy searches and a few infringers.

[edited by: optimist at 2:32 am (utc) on Oct. 17, 2005]

[alika]

If anyone is seeing a September 22 site return, are pages rankings returning to about the same as where they were before they were lost?

Not in our case. In fact, site disappeared from its main keyword beginning this weekend. Non-main pages that used to rank very well are still nowhere to be found.

[walkman]

supplementals are the root of many problems IMO. Google is either behind in crawling or something else is fishy.

Many fine page pages are showing as supps with Nov 2004 cache (not on my site, but my link is one of those sites--long removed--but I fear I'm being penalized for something that was there a year ago). I patiently wait for the shakeup :)

NO bought links, no link exchanges, all the pages entered manually, one by one, and there are no dupe issues. The biggest "crime" would be some directory links from months ago, but Google says we should do that anyway. I guess it helps them with the theme

[Garya]

I am watching all my sites dissapearing off the face of the earth. 50 and counting. All in real estate and mortgage.
Its a age factor mixed with reciprocal and sitewides links and how fast they where aqquired.
The good news is my 1 site is now #1 for everything on google since google deleted all the competition.

[Garya]

Seeing some of the older outdated sites moving up with just a few backlinks. Looks like they have not added any links in a few years.
I guess there is no point searching on google anymore.

[Garya]

Just comparing some of my new sites to some of my 1 year old sites.
My new sites are still in the index with 1 or 2 BL's , my sites with over 100 backlinks are gone.
I was checking on various realtors in my area they are all gone if they have backlink campaigns.

[steveb]

This isn't an update. Major changes for some sites, like getting lost or getting found, do not make an update.

Google is dumping even more old crap in, which means some previously lost sites get found, and others get the Supplemental kiss of death. Just everflux besides that.

How to get rid of Supplementals:
[webmasterworld.com...]

[edited by: steveb at 3:54 am (utc) on Oct. 17, 2005]

[uptil7000]

Backlinks is a very intresting way to look at this. Our site that has been #1 or #2 for over 4 years has dropped on almost all our keywords. Lots of legit links to site.

One of our fairly new sites with VERY few links (4) is now #1 for it's keyword.

Not what I really want to see.

[sonny]

I just did a search for "bath and body" and the NHL shopping site came up #2.
Very strange results

[optimist]

supplementals are the root of many problems IMO. Google is either behind in crawling or something else is fishy.

NO bought links, no link exchanges, all the pages entered manually, one by one, and there are no dupe issues. The biggest "crime" would be some directory links from months ago, but Google says we should do that anyway. I guess it helps them with the theme

Supplementals seem to cause more problems in this Oct update. Google is holding on to duplicates in these listings and may even be penalizing against these. Even Google Cache listings of third party Google searches are showing up.

As for Paid or Reciprocals; sites ranking in the top are still using these approaches, this does not appear to be targeting paid or reciprocals. As all the link brokers are still up and better than ever.

[ChrisKeen]

I did the same (Bath and Body) and get the following on position 2 (NHL):

Error 404--Not Found
From RFC 2068 Hypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1:
10.4.5 404 Not Found
The server has not found anything matching the Request-URI. No indication is given of whether the condition is temporary or permanent.

If the server does not wish to make this information available to the client, the status code 403 (Forbidden) can be used instead. The 410 (Gone) status code SHOULD be used if the server knows, through some internally configurable mechanism, that an old resource is permanently unavailable and has no forwarding address.

With results like this, I don't think I am going to have to worry about missing traffic from G.

[jcmiras]

try also searching (quezon province). The number 2 in the serp has a title, "File Not Found ".

Maybe google is giving more and more weight to an older website, even if it does not exist anymore. :)

[reseller]

Good morning Folks

WOW....

The results of the Bacon Polenta DC has propagated to major parts of the DCs I watch for my test keyphrases.

[64.233.171.99...]

There you can see the future of the serps, Whether you believe its an update or otherwise ;-)

[McMohan]

Looks almost that in the garb of Trust Rank, Google has decided to go after SEOs. All said and done, an SEO for his/her corporate client can not suggest "Build a site with such a content that people will freely link to".
My only contention has been that, as long as an SEO isn't working outside Google's stated quality guidelines, the Google/SEO relation is a mutually win-win relationship. By actively hunting down for links (which he/she wouldn't do if the site they are promoting isn't relevant for the keywords they are targeting) they are pointing Google to a relevant site. Yes, the links should be on theme. But I have seen in this new filter "even the links that on theme aren't excused" going by few of the sites which have gone down and have almost no link that is not on theme. It is more of an SEO filter, than a TrustRank update.

This reminds me of the Celebrity/Paparazzi relation. As much as the celebrities hate Paparazzi for being stalkarazzi, in a way they depend on Paparazzi to create that aura of a celebrity around them. Same goes for Search Engine/SEOs IMO. Entertainment industry has been around for centuries and celebrities understand this simple fact. Search Engines are still a sunrise industry and will need a few "Trial & Error" to get the basics right.

[edited by: McMohan at 6:16 am (utc) on Oct. 17, 2005]

[MLHmptn]

Absolutely HORRID results! Good job Google!

[Garya]

Yeah I can't find anything important, no mortgage companies, no realtors.
Just alot of junk and of course google adwords.
Think I will short google from here.

[Abigail]

Well, I guess for every unhappy person there will be a happy one in their place.

[edited by: Abigail at 6:19 am (utc) on Oct. 17, 2005]

[followgreg]

LOL

I just looked at what you guys are talking about, not sure if this is OUTRAGEOUS or simply ridiculous.

I'm sure of one thing though...If these are final results I won't spend any more time on Google and users will end up doing the same as well.

[RunnerD]

I agree these results are crap. All google is, is a big ad factory now. Type in a keyword, get hundreds of ads.

Its time for a new search engine. No ads, no crap, and good search results.

[MLHmptn]

Well if anything AdWords advertisers should be taking note here! :>~ With SERPs being absolute $h!t at the moment, clickthrough rates are going to skyrocket!

Might be a good time to even invest in Google stock!

:>

[Garya]

less people wil search on google, they will go elsewhere.
Teoma is the best.

[outland88]

From what I'm seeing this is the biggest update ever by Google in my areas. Google has done a complete 180 degree metamorphous in the past few hours. Definitely a mind ripper. The exception is the sites that have been given a bye. Many of the ranked pages come from subdirectories of sub directories, very old sites, and definitely fortune 1000 companies. Some of the larger companies have been given free reign to spam. Google has reached the point of attacking SEO so much with this update its become anti-small business.

Google has turned its focus to much to turning people into full time authors. They need to let small business people make some money.

I'm really beginning to get sick of all Google's crap.

[followgreg]

It's been some time now that I watch SERP, I'm not an expert of course, but I think that today we are reaching the total junk of organic search, and surprisingly it comes from google...

One thing is worth to mention...if organic SERP are so crappy...in the long run no one will keep search on this engine, then I would clearly NOT invest in Google stock lol...my 2 cents...I'm not a stock option specialist either

[reseller]

outland88

>>From what I'm seeing this is the biggest update ever by Google in my areas.<<

Thanks. At last a fellow member calling what happening as UPDATE.

And thats exactly what I have been saying since 22nd Sept. 2005

Ladies and gentlemen!

Please welcome Update Bacon Polenta, the father of all updates ;-)

[google.com...]

[edited by: reseller at 6:45 am (utc) on Oct. 17, 2005]

[peter andreas]

Whats going on?

[followgreg]

Ok, Ok, it's an update...the problem is that even though rankings were up and down for few weeks...this morning lots of SERP ARE the most terrible (or close to it) of the history of search engines in my opinion and I'm trying to be objective!

[MLHmptn]

less people wil search on google, they will go elsewhere.
Teoma is the best.

Funny, I was about to tell you that teoma was absolute crap but I hadn't used it in over a year until just now. From what I see on Teoma I am amazed with the quality of the results in my sector(quick glance honestly). Yes I have high rankings on Teoma but my competitors do as well! On Google my competitors and I are only listed with adwords. Go figure!?

I honestly think and I've seen many people deny it but I think if you advertise with Google they just won't list you for anything unless your domain was created in 1997 or earlier! The few sites that I have rank top 10 with allinanchor, allintext and allintitle for every keyword I target on Google but without the allin's my sites are nowhere!

$ANDBOX anyone!? Buy AdWords or die!