Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
Have been waiting for google's pending update but didn't get any on that. From last two days I have noticed extreme changes in search results for same google domain (like .com or .de or .nl etc.) with different interface language selected (like hl=de or hl=en or hl=nl). When you change the interface language the whole bunch of results are different.
Is this the actual update this time? Enabling the geo centric data which google wanted to implement for better localization? If yes (and if someone else is also seeing this change) then may be we can all identify the parameters of this new change, like language, servers in geographical locations or extensions (.de, .nl etc.)
-- rishi
What dcs are you talking about....
There are major changes on two distinct groups of DCs and we are still left with the DC which are showing data from a week or so ago.
"The similarity, active link exchanges."
Interesting observation textex. Do you have enough sites that have dropped to be able to confirm this with little doubt in your mind?I've had a similar suspicion. How far did the sites drop, 5 places, 10? or more? Did you have sites that dropped, and sites that didn't?
I have observed the same with my sites ... active link exchanges ... most dropped out of the top 20 SERPs, some not so far. All are what I would call highly competitive phrases. All are commericial.
And, yes, I see that on competitive sites, as well, which have active link programs.
On-site factors just don't come into the frame. Only to do with, if the links are achieved naturally or artificially.
Yes, my observation as well.
Were there any other questionable things done, like site wide keyword linking to home page for example?
Hmm ... yes, and it is news to me that using keywords to link back to the home page is "questionable" .. though I would say it might be "overoptimized."
I would like to hear more about why this might be "questionable" ... it certainly does fit with some of the sites I am watching.
Link exchange does not seem to effect the older and top 3 sites that are well established.
It just effects the smaller sites that were below top 5.
I have to disagree strongly here. The sites I am watching were top ranked sites, positions 1-5, and all are older than 3-4 years, at least one is 7 years old, and has always been a well ranked site (notwithstanding the Florida update.)
Cheers, MJ
We are involved in several big financial sectors and we are seeing BIG changes with sites being delisted or demoted (not checking all of them) for link exchanges.
There are one or two sites still left in top 20 that seem to have 'beat the system'. Can't figure out why. We have sites that are 6 years old that are gone. We have not even been activly doing recips with this site. We have been doing only non-recips for some time.
We do have one site that is still ranking ok that follows all of our other sites techniques.
We have been careful with who we link with off-topic being a big no no.
I think Google made this a black and white issue. If you do link exchanges you are out.
This doesn't make sense to me. I don't believe G will, *in the end*, punish sites for active link trades. It makes sense to trade links with relevant sites in "good neighborhoods" and always will. It is, in a large part, IMNSHO, what the inter-net is all about.
I am careful about link partners; I link with similarly themed sites, I check who potential link partners link to and I check back regularly to make sure their quality remains high.
Just my two bytes. MJ
my main page, which is the only one linked to from the reciprocal links, still does OK in the update, but all other pages have all but dropped.
However, it is hard to tell, as google kept the old redirected pages from a year ago in their index (even though they were permanent redirected) as well as the new pages. And it seems its more likely a problem with how google handles this, as all the new pages are gone, and the old pages that redirect to the new ones are back, only on page 100+.
So do you think this is a url issue that google may workout, or caused by the links?
thanks in advance for your opinions!
not saying reciprocal links arent a factor..im saying there is a large number of filters all being rolled into one ball here...thats why several threads have all gone different routes with their theories and actually they are all correct....
and how are your sites doing MJtaylor?
Since this morning, I hadn't looked. If I can't fix it, and I can't until this is settled, then I don't want to make myself *too* crazy ... last night I watched the various DCs as well as my default Google switch between indices (if that's the right word) ... let's put it this way, results kept changing on certain DCs and on the default. This morning, it was the same.
Currently my default Google returns many of sites in their usual places. As does 216.239.59.104, 64.233.167.104, 64.233.167.99, 66.102.11.104, 66.249.85.104 ... in some of the most competitive kw phrases, I see slipping, but not the devastation I saw yesterday and this morning ... that's only a random sample of the DCs but it certainly looks better than it's been looking.
FWIW.
Am I breathing more easily now? Sure ... Do I think the fat lady has sung? Not at all sure about that ...
Thanks for asking, textex.
[mcdar.net...]
and view all the google datacenters for a keyword search. It looks like 14 out of 15 display the results i want, so hopefully these stick and wont get replaced with the bad ones.
Do you think that the majority of the datacenters are correct now, or if the small majority of datacenters will prevail and spread?
My 'home' site which has 30+ link exchange inbounds has taken a 50 place dive on those centres. I've been very picky about the link exchanges and have only gone on-topic across the board.
fingers crossed those are 'joke' datacentres demonstrating how much we still need google post flotation!
hughie
This is the center to watch -> 64.233.167.147
These results on this center now show on 10 of the 39 DCs on McDar. Just three days ago, they were only on 4 centers.
what the .. is going on Google? 7 eight month old pages, and worst, penalize people for what was on then?
I have NO recips, or bought links. Nil!
Hopefully just a short innings!
Hmm ... yes, and it is news to me that using keywords to link back to the home page is "questionable" .. though I would say it might be "overoptimized."
I would like to hear more about why this might be "questionable" ... it certainly does fit with some of the sites I am watching.
I know why we do it, I know why I thought and think it's a bad idea even though I had to do at client's request. It's very simple, this is a standard seo method that standard sites do not use. It's a signature, and automated systems love signatures.
I'm sure though it's not a major factor, but I'm also not surprised to hear at least some sites here did that.
not saying reciprocal links arent a factor..im saying there is a large number of filters all being rolled into one ball here...thats why several threads have all gone different routes with their theories and actually they are all correct....
I hear the sound of a newly rebuilt engine that's been tested for the last few months, tweaked, tuned, etc, being revved to see how it runs at speed. I'd like to be the first to congratulate google on their new system.
I think this is what Brett was referring to last November/December when he said expect big changes.
Interestingly (at least to me), my father (who happens to have the same name) was mentioned in the news recently for winning an award. In the center that I like, that reference is #1 - a recent news article at that spot makes a lot of sense to me. That article is nowhere to be seen on the other center.
Just another weird thing to watch.
hehehee. Oh they have websites.
As my site slid there's someone thanking God for helping him, and saying that Google's search engine rules :).
Not quite sure how it works.
-Brad
Nothing has changed on that site since last winter except extra (very relevant) content added and lots of new forum postings. No tricksy sneaky nothing, nice and clean and by the rules. My links are totally relevant, all hand-done. PR6 for 2 years now, #1 in my main (niche) keywords for 2 years. I'm still #1 on Yahoo and MSN.
The site is 4 years old now, and I definitly have a solid track record as an 'authority' in my niche. BOOM! gone into the ether.
I sent an email to G, waiting on a human reply.
I wouldn't agree with this statement. In fact, I know for some people this is not true at all. Many owners of sites and people who are not SEO crazy like us link home with the words (for example) 'Our Dogs'. Have seen it a million times. Also, many would link from all pages via navigation to product pages using the product name as the acnhor. This makes common sense, as why would I confuse a potential customer by calling a 'Roland X23 Drum Module' anything else?
One of those nice days where I wake up to see one of my pages regain its #1 on the keyphrases I watch.
And YES to these lovely DCs
64.233.167.99
64.233.167.104
64.233.167.147
216.239.57.99
216.239.57.104
216.239.57.147
Matt Cuuuuuuuuuuuuuutts!.... Please let those nice results propagate to the rest of the DCs, or else ;-)
Yes.. I know..I know.. the results of above DCs might change at any moment. But please allow me to enjoy those nice 5 minutes of fame ;-)
[edited by: reseller at 5:38 am (utc) on Oct. 12, 2005]
