Google's Pending September Update

I have seen some changes in geo...

[rishic]

Hello People,

Have been waiting for google's pending update but didn't get any on that. From last two days I have noticed extreme changes in search results for same google domain (like .com or .de or .nl etc.) with different interface language selected (like hl=de or hl=en or hl=nl). When you change the interface language the whole bunch of results are different.

Is this the actual update this time? Enabling the geo centric data which google wanted to implement for better localization? If yes (and if someone else is also seeing this change) then may be we can all identify the parameters of this new change, like language, servers in geographical locations or extensions (.de, .nl etc.)

-- rishi

[tonyss]

Hi Guys...first time poster here.
I doubt this update is an attack on cloned anchor text. I have a state informational site that is found by an average of over 14,000 search terms monthly. I have lost the two biggest words within a search phrase...."hotels" and "real estate" yet those words are not used in any third-party incoming anchor text. I do have a hotel affiliate component that exists along with over 450 pages of other unique content. I've thought this could be an offensive against affiliate situations...but I have lost the "real estate" terms as well. This update is a hard one to read unless this is a glitch within a test that will soon stabilize.

[Garya]

Not sure whay you are looking at but on the new results I see most of the websites are not to be found.
I do not see how that is a good thing.
When I type in names of realtors there sites do not come up anymore.
only directories.
I have tried 50 different sites and they are not in the results.
I know my name is not showing up also.
I tried the same for mortgage brokers all gone.
I have not tried this for all industires.
I can't see this as a good thing.

[fathom777]

Just about an hour ago I saw the new results on over 10 DCs. I just checked again and it went down to 5. I hope to God these results go away. A number of industries have been hit HARD.

I have heard that many great sites have been hit. That would be a shame.

[SEOTard]

just a total guess but I suspect the "new" results will be fully rolled out to most/all of the DCs over the weekend.

hopefully.

[cristinita]

which results do you mean by "new"? which DCs?

because the ones at 66.102.7.104 seem to be already vanished...at least that's what i can see now

[tonyss]

Garya...

A particular well trafficed site only lost rankings related to hotel and real estate terms. All other terms are basically intact with rankings still in close proximity to those before this update began. It is really strange that out of the over 14,000 search phrases it is found under each month that only the hotel and real estate related phrases disappeared.

[SEOTard]

for me at this moment, all datacenters are back to the old results.

So, I would like to take back all the good things I said about the Google engineers. Clearly they have no idea what they are doing (as our site is back to the bottom).

If things change over the weekend, then I will again spew my praises for their efforts.

In the meantime - Google has failed.

[Garya]

Tony
I now see everything is back to the way it was before the update. i don't see any change now. All my sites are back where they were.
I wonder what they were doing with real estate websites.

[Abigail]

I am seeing a Google centre ip 72.14.203.104

[cristinita]

i just see the same old results at that DC

[sailorjwd]

My site is back to where is was before... vanished.

One of the few pages that comes up is a page that hasn't existed since Jan :(

Tell me again.. Is it once a decade that google looks at supplementals? At this rate I'll be on medicare by the time my site comes back.

ps. I look forward to working with G over the holidays. I'll need a good nut cracker - which they are.

[fathom777]

All DCs are back to normal. Hopefully this will STICK!

[FattyB]

These look like some older listings did to me, back in Jan. Can tell as we added new subdomains in spring and they are very busy. When the serps go oldish our older less busy ones popup on a sitename search.

That is what I am seeing now.

Also up and down like a yoyo all week. Today results on site name ranged from 1.7 million to 4.9 million.

Guess lots going on.

[Abigail]

"All DCs are back to normal. Hopefully this will STICK!"

I guess that depends where you are sitting, on this one.

[tmartini]

"I guess that depends where you are sitting, on this one."

Exactly. Results in my market segment are back to what they looked liked on 9/22/05 and that's not good. Earlier today it looked like we were going back to pre 9/22/05 results and things were looking up. Now they look like crap again. Looks to me like they tried to fix their mess, failed and went back to the crappy 9/22/05 results.

I don't ask for much but it would be nice to be #1 for at least my own (unique) domain name. Right now Google is a waste of time.

-- T

[anttiv]

No hope for sites that dropped Sept 22. Some of them were trying to make a comeback on certain DCs and even got some traffic from some parts of the world but now all DCs are showing similar results.

I'm afraid the testing is over and these are the new (old) results we have to live with for now.

Did anyone get their original September positions back?

[tmartini]

Not me...

Before 9/22/05: 500+ Page 1 Rankings for critical keywords that I had held for almost four years as a PR5 site.

Today: 20 Page 1 Rankings for critical keywords.

Looks like Page Rank doesn't mean crap anymore. I checked some of the sites that took my place and a number of them have a PR of 0-2.

-- T

[JuniorOptimizer]

Why automatically assume this stoppage is so significant? Maybe they start back up tomorrow.

[Abigail]

usually from where I sit I hit one particular data centre for search results. for the last hour I am getting revolving ones. don't know what it means, but am also noticing older cache dates on my stuff than I was seeing earlier today so I don't think we're done yet.

[sailorjwd]

I had a dream...

I think G was happy with some of the 6-8 test 'binaries' they have been fooling with.

They are going to incorporate the best of those new ones and do a compile/link tonight and push them out to all DCs over the weekend.

I'm looking forward to a major traffic increase Sunday evening.

[fathom777]

They are moving... 4 centers have started the move AGAIN...

[Abigail]

BRING ON THE GAMES!

[JuniorOptimizer]

Sailorjwd, I like your thinking and I agree.

[reseller]

Good morning Folks

It seems the results I have been watching have proceeded to the following DCs (not to say bad or good):

64.233.171.99
64.233.171.104

64.233.179.99
64.233.179.104

64.233.185.99
64.233.185.104

64.233.187.99
64.233.187.104

"If You Can Make It There You Will Make It Anywhere" ;-)

[CainIV]

Has anyone else here lost major rank on keys that has been in the Google index for over 5 years, or is considered an authority site?

I am beginning to wonder if, in addition to other filter testing, Google is applying some kind of test via trust rank. Many think it is already part of the filter.

I am seeing alot of sites over 5 years or considered authority sites not budge whatosever in any of these DC's. Any one here have anything contrary to this? Perhaps part of this is determining the seed sites and then evaluatiing from there?

[Garya]

Was checking out google results without the sandbox and filters.
The results are great 10x better then what they are now.
It makes you think what they are doing has nothing to do with giving good results but to make money with adwords.

[bigace]

This is really true. I have been in the jungles of SriLanka for the last too years, so I haven't had access to this forum. I still have a few web sites. I have been reading a bit to catch up with things.

This sounds just like the exact discussion that was going on when I left in about April of 2003. I guess things don't change much. The dance still goes on.

However,two quick questions about words being used in these discussions that weren't used two years ago.
1. What are supplementals?
2. What are scrapers?

Thanks, bigace

[reseller]

Hi Folks

Predictions of Resellerīs Crystal Ball:

Our Kind fellow member GoogleGuy shall post soon more details about the progress of the current
Bacon Polenta Update.

Stay Tuned ;-)

[DannyS]

What is going on seems very selective. Looking at the top ten on three of the keywords we follow in the 66.102.7 datacenters, two show changes with one site going down 70 or so places and one shows 2 sites going down by a similar amount. It's a little unforunate that 3 of the sites are mine;-(

Possibilities I can think of are slight site interlinking, reciprocal linking or internal duplicate pages. I suspect our linking isn't any worse than other sites in the top ten and it's themed with similar product sites.

What is similar to the other site that was bumped was internal duplicate pages. With our sites using Oscommerce there are two URL paths to each product page, one direct and with the category ID in it. By the time you add the shared SSL you end up with a total of 4 URL paths to the same product page.

I am beginning to suspect this is the problem which is shame as it's going to be hard to modify around this. It would almost be better for Google not to spider dynamic sites if this is going to cause a filter to be applied.

Anyone else having problems with Oscommerce the last few days?

[Garya]

Was just comparing google without there spam filter and sandbox to MSN
today.
They are very similar.
When you add the sandbox and filter google is a sub-par search engine.