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Google's Pending September Update

I have seen some changes in geo...

     
2:49 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hello People,

Have been waiting for google's pending update but didn't get any on that. From last two days I have noticed extreme changes in search results for same google domain (like .com or .de or .nl etc.) with different interface language selected (like hl=de or hl=en or hl=nl). When you change the interface language the whole bunch of results are different.

Is this the actual update this time? Enabling the geo centric data which google wanted to implement for better localization? If yes (and if someone else is also seeing this change) then may be we can all identify the parameters of this new change, like language, servers in geographical locations or extensions (.de, .nl etc.)

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I get new results on 216.239.59.99 and a couple of other data centers for some long/specific searches, although single keyword searches seem to be qutie stable.

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Yes Madweb - I do too.

I have seen many false dawns though.

Worth keeping an eye on - probably G Engineers playing with knobs :)

2:54 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've moved back on nearly all phrases on Google.com over the past week or so. But the center mentioned above (216.239.59.99) has me right back where I used to be... (Hope it spreads!)

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Minor movement in some of our area, still nothing to celebrate yet.
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Get a life. They cut off the other big thread and you guys are starting the guff again. The speculation thread. What value does this add?
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"What value does this add?"

Many time great information and leads come out in threads like this. A good heads up if you ask me. Besides they let the thread start to begin with...

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Get a life. They cut off the other big thread and you guys are starting the guff again. The speculation thread. What value does this add?

Crush, read the TOS about just flaming. No one is forcing you to read or provide your insights.

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Before you two start throwing mud-pies at each other ---well if you have webcam installed that could be amusing to watch--but any way, let me point out that this thread has gone way of topic from something that I found interesting.

It started of mentioning geo targeting which made me very interested as on my main, nonprofit, keyword there were two sites that were doing well, www.mydomain.org and www.mydomain.it, one is in English the other in Italian, same subject but not the same content. The keyword is the same in both languages.

Then on 15 September the .it one nose-dived into the hundreds and has not recovered since. It was the only foreign, non-english, site that was showing up in the search on google.com for that particular keyword. When when searching on Google.it it is still #1.

Has any one else observed foreign sites taking a toll in the .com version of Google?

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I don't know if its the same thing but some of my sites on a co.uk adress are now not found anywhere useful in google.com anymore much to my frustration and cost!

I have started using MSN now as its about the only place I can find anything useful.

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OK guys & girls I started this thread to get some views on geo-lang-googlization, but to my disappointment only one or two post actually tried to touch that part. People are just dumping whatever if I may say 'useless' and 'unrelated' garbadge here, so I am closing this thread, please don't post any more on this thread atleast and avoid 'dumping garbadge' anyway everywhere :-)

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We where the # 1 site using our keyword in our .....blog.com throughout we dropped 8- 15 spaces in us, uk, and au, but in - de, it, nl, ch, es.... we are completely gone.

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rishic

Perhaps a better choice of discussion headings next time :)

However, in previous updates, Especially around Florida time the old results remained on the not english interface languages for a long time after the rest of the dcs were updated.

So even though they were hiting a dc that appeared updated they were served different/old (at the time) results based on the interface language.

For what it is worth my server is in Germany but I am .co.uk - I do better in .co.uk than .com but no different in .de from .com (with any interface language)

So I assume that I do better in the UK results due to being .co.uk rather than based on server position. It might be due to more UK based backlinks or from the way I spell things like colour - he he.

Anyway - 2 set of DC C classes are vastly different from the rest - that is not speculation - is just fact. Whether they spread is speculation ;)

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something happened last night. I'm around number 50, including for domain.com. No bought links, no dupes nothing like that, so I'll wait and see. It sucks being so close to the Christmas season though
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Anyway - 2 set of DC C classes are vastly different from the rest - that is not speculation - is just fact. Whether they spread is speculation ;)

Hi Dayo: They have been that way for a few days now, I do not think it is going to spread, IMHO.

I think it is just the GoogleBoys playing with the knobs.

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I think it is just the GoogleBoys playing with the knobs

I had to read that twice just to make sure :-)

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I think it might be spreading.

64.233.167.*

Dcs look like they might have gone that way too.

Keep playing GoogleBoys ;)

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Dayo_UK

>>Keep playing GoogleBoys ;) <<

And while they are playing, there is no harm in reminding our good friends at the plex about this one ;-)

Listen Google - I will say this only another 91 times. The canonical url for my site is the homepage with the www - I have done the 301 - this is the page with the most backlinks - it is the page that should rank for the company name search. Etc."

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Its spreading:

64.233.167.99
64.233.167.104
64.233.167.147
66.102.11.99
66.102.11.104
216.239.59.99
216.239.59.104
216.239.59.105

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The only thing I would really like to see updated at this time is for all the 404 pages and mis-represented snippets in the Supplemental Results to be cleaned up.

I see many snippets that do not represent what Google has cached, and many snippets and cache pages that do not represent what is on the real page now, or are for pages that long ago went 404 or for which the whole domain is no longer active.

Don't try to do the job of archive.org - sometimes people really do want to get rid of old content and move on. The WayBackMachine at least tags the data with the date it was retrieved, rather than trying to pass it off as current data.

Get rid of the junk and just totally forget the "my index is bigger than your index" argument.</eor>

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Reseller.

He he - I am not in nagging mood.

I have done enough stirring for one week.

But down to 91 - I need to remember that :)

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What is "spreading"? So some datacenters are adding back in even more Supplementals? They've been doing that on and off since the 22nd.
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I know what happened to my site:
I have another--now defunt--site with many inbound links, that uses apache rewrite. Like an idiot I said let me add a link to my commercial site, just from the front page. One page, and not a recip one so no problems, right?

well, wrong. Little did I know that /any folder/bogus-link/123.html actually showed the index page. Google and Yahoo had somehow gotten all these non-existent links and I had over 8000 "homepages," all with my other site's link.

Now I fixed the apache rewrite and permanently removed via Google all the bogus folders, and I'm hoping... Essentially I was penalized for site wide links from my other site. 50+ supplemental sites show before me for domain.com. I'm hoping that in a couple of weeks, as Google does the usual mini-reshuffle I will come back.

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I have been suffering from Canonical url problems for ages, and on some dcs I am showing much better (and more relastic) results for the sites that have been effected.

Nothing to do with supplementals.

The Dcs which show the different results from my point of view are:-

216.239.59.*
66.102.11.*

and

64.233.167.* (sometimes)

Although perhaps it is only effecting sites hit at a certain time (eg if Canonical url problems from Jan/Feb had penalties (undue) that are now expiring these sites may be effected)

Dont know - but different on those dcs.

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Steveb -

My site suddenly dropped in Google about a week ago. On the DCs I mentioned, I am back to where I used to be. There is something different in those centers.

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The supplemental non-existent page situation is totally maddening. Back in Feb I got hit with a dup content penalty because of a badly programmed 404 redirect script which let to several phantom dups of my home page.

I used the removal tool to remove these and other suspect pages with not much content. About 30 pages in all. I waited and waited for the dup content penalty to go away and it didn't.

Then in august all the pages I removed using the url removal tool came back with caches from January and of course they still don't exist on the site. So the dup content penalty could never go away because the url removal tool doesn't remove urls it only stops them from displaying in serps and site: command.

Now it is Oct 9 and still have these non existent supplementals haunting me.

I'm so ticked off that I've moved from adsense to Y even if a lose a few dollars just so G won't get the $.

I currently truely hate two things:
G search and spam email.

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yay for updates.

Anyone know roughly how long it will take until all the google servers are updated? :)

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For us it's starting like the last update. We were wiped out then came back again. At the moment we have been wiped out (just like last time) and .I just hope we come back this time though... Seem to be getting different results every time I look. I can't see what we are doing differently to the sites which are in.
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Sorry rishic, for putting "garbage" in your thread. Properly naming your threads in the future may prevent such "garbage" from appearing.

Best of luck keeping a thread entitled "Google's Pending September Update" on the topic of Geo-Targeting.

Any time you mention an "update" - be prepared for a barrage of posts.

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I for one see a number of "phantom phrases" appearing starting at midnight. Some of my lost phrases are there and some new ones.

When I go the Google page from the log file, the results are not there.

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yup, definetely a shake up going on. more than the normal everflux. the home improvement sectors I'm watching are shuffling up significantly.

They also seem to be dropping index pages, then putting them back in. Keeps going back and forth every few hours.

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