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Update Saga. Part 6

         

selomelo

6:25 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Continued from:
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The same down-and-on problem here in Turkey.
But j3 goes on and off. No steady results. At least three different sets:

216.239.63.104 (I think with additional tweaks)
64.233.161.104 (still J2)
64.233.179.104 (J3)

MikeDammann

1:02 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Remember: it's not the programs that run Google. it's the owners and the mindset of the main employees. What they are trying to accomplish. until they are satisfied, they will keep testing things. And some tests will go wrong. but in the meantime they're laughing their asses of at the webmasters who spend hours watching the numbers like people who go to vegas to play Keno.

Have a life. let it go. breathe and .........

turn of your pc before it consumes you even more :D

headache1987

1:09 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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These are all showing the same for me:

64.233.179.99
64.233.179.104
64.233.179.106
64.233.179.107

Any chance they'll "stick" I am after all 1 and 2....

MikeDammann

1:21 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think I'm getting a headache ...

Max_M

1:33 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Remember: it's not the programs that run Google. it's the owners and the mindset of the main employees. What they are trying to accomplish. until they are satisfied, they will keep testing things.

They'll probably finish testing right after xmas. Testing and trying to fix and then fix again something that was not broken to begin with.

I've said it before and i will say it again. There will be not much left out of google search by the time Mutt Cutts and his crew are finished implementing all them new "ideas" specifically designed to enhance ADWORDS target $$ for this year.

[edited by: Max_M at 1:38 pm (utc) on Nov. 30, 2005]

lee_sufc

1:36 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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headache1987 - i too like those results but can't see them sticking at all...unfortunately.

headache1987

1:39 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I can't help but wonder if all this is not directly related to the www vs. no wwww issue. Our site is split down the middle (half with and half without) on the above mentioned servers you get NO results for links with www. and all the results without. I am thinking that when they tweak this issue out, we may regain position. Just a thought.

steve40

1:54 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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headache1987

The best person on this board to check if those DC's are resolving the canoncal issues is Dayo , He seems to have a better handle than most when it comes to DC's possibly
yes or no in resolution of www and nonwww be interesting to have some feedback from him on the DC's you believe are fixing problems

PS is there any change on those DC's for pages listed on a site

steve

Dayo_UK

1:58 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)



steve40

I posted my observations above.

The test DC C-Class has less non-www homepages listed - so less Homepage Canonical Problems - however, ranking are still poor for these sites (especially long term effected sites).

reseller

2:36 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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MikeDammann

>>I think I'm getting a headache <<

Then you may wish to consider changing your user name to, for example:

MikeHeadache :-)

soapystar

2:45 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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64.233.179.99

on my first search i get an affilliate url..you know the hotel ones where u just stick your code on the end to create your own tracked url the same as a 1000 others..so this pure affiliate link actaully gets an indented listing....quite incredible......youd have to work very hard to screw an algo that much to place a pure affiliate url top ten for a money term with an indented second listing..

to be fair..if it doesnt go opublic then you cant really knock a server no matter how bad the results...

[edited by: soapystar at 2:48 pm (utc) on Nov. 30, 2005]

Eazygoin

2:46 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi everyone,

Quite a while since I read the forum, but just updated myself after my hols, reading the latest posts.

It seems that Google is now doing constant modifications and updates to the SERP's, as an ongoing practice.

Regarding improving Adwords revenue, my Adwords hits have dropped to a third of what they were b4 the update. However,overall trafic has doubled, so I can't see that they are doing the update to increase Adwords revenue.

I also notice that keywords are moving position, some up, some down, but only marginal moves, which one would expect from a constant revision of the SERP's.

IMO Jagger is completed, but a new form of constant flux is emerging, whereby the SERP's will fluctuate on an ongoing basis, allowing for gradual modification and upgrading, to deal with outstanding issues as they arise.

reseller

3:06 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Regarding test-DC 64.233.179.104 which Matt has mentioned today.

I guess that what we see now on that DC isn't going to stick, otherwise Matt would have asked for feedback already now.

bekyed

4:00 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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So i guess Mike Damman you are not going to lose your business then like some of the other poor souls here.
Sounds to me like the only one laughing is you matey!
Go and upset folks in other forums with your arrogant attitude, and give some one else a headache.

Bek.

dareRock

4:25 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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sorry to break point on the discussion....

a couple of my sites have completely dissapeared from G....i would assume it's from the jagger updates.....in the past, i have read in these forums that sometimes sites get unindexed, then re-indexed, but with less or more pages.....i'm curious if i should go through the trouble of re-creating my 2 sites that dissapeared with new domains names?...Or, should i wait and see what happens? how long should i wait? any advice is greatly appreciated

Erku

4:26 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Please go to Google and search for "Affordable Health Insurance"

The results on the third page
[google.com...]

Show a site, which is a 404 error. It has been like this already more than a month.

I reported the issue to Google two times but no movement on their part.

If this is the case for such a term, we can conclude what's going on in other places?

Can someone properly show google the issue?

Thank you.

barretire

4:35 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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" So i guess Mike Damman you are not going to lose your business then like some of the other poor souls here.
Sounds to me like the only one laughing is you matey!
Go and upset folks in other forums with your arrogant attitude, and give some one else a headache.
Bek. "

Sounds to me like Mike is stating the facts and there are a few people here that don't wan't to face them.

MikeDammann

4:43 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Bek, I'm expressing what I hate about seo. And many of the ones representing this business. I've been in this for 6 years now. You will use your business if you are a herd animal like so many here. Stop running after numbers and follow a strategy that makes sense on other levels than just seo as well. Stop buying links from places that have no value other than manilulating the SERPs.

Gimp

4:43 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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When Google says that J3 is over and we are seeing flux and adjustments, fine. But until then making pronouncements based on opinion do no one good.

There have been so many declarations about J3 that have proven totally wrong that I can't believe that anyone would come out an make another unproven pronouncement.

If Google is not saying that it is over and we are seeing flux, there is a reason. It may be that it is not over. It makes no sense for them to be silent if it is over.

BillyS

5:03 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Not only does Google hate me right now, they really know how to rub it in too...

My best phrase (by far) sits at #4 in Google and it's URL only. Needless to say it doesn't get many clicks.

headache1987

5:05 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think that old adage applies - everything in moderation - I have a plan that I stick to regularly HOWEVER, this something about that plan did not agree with this last/ongoing update so it does behoove me to make changes to my plan and watch for positive changes.

I don't check hourly - though I have been checking more lately due to hopeful optimism but it doesn't mean I have wavered from the plan.

idolw

5:18 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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64.233.179.99 shows old pages that do not exist now.
apart from that, there results are pretty messed up.
this would be a step backwards for google

Eazygoin

5:22 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Gimp >>
There have been so many declarations about J3 that have proven totally wrong that I can't believe that anyone would come out an make another unproven pronouncement.

By its mere nature a forum is "A public meeting or assembly for open discussion."

If one cannot express opinions, then what is the point of a forum, or maybe you see it as a carte blanche prerequisite that only facts can be stated on here. IMO opinion, free expression still exists, and whilst it does, then opinions may be be valued by some, and not by others.

Remember one thing....we are ALL on the same side in this forum, and the overall balance of objectivety creates a healthy balance from which to make judgements. I have enjoyed 10 days away from the forum, and I now may wish to pass comments, as may many other forum users. To respect their views, and agree or disagree is your perogative, but statements are personal opinions, not hard facts, generally.

Gimp

5:40 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Many of us are running businesses. We run them not on opionions and but on facts.

Opinions don't help anyone here. If you can based them on substance, fine. But wild guesses based on nothing are not productive. And they only provide clutter to those of us who are trying to make some sense out of this so that we can make decisions.

tigger

5:49 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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whilst I do agree with you Gimp, sometimes just throwing ideas around can sometimes trigger a train of thought that could lead somewhere

I'm sick reading about this DC and that DC and what MC has said & filling spam reports but sometimes you have to wade through the rubbish to find useful content

MikeDammann

5:54 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Facts are good, but yesterday's facts can get you banned tomorrow. I know people who have been on top for 5 years following one strategy. They don't follow the DCs. But that's cool, you guys do what you like.

I've come here thru a post on DP referring to reseller's little motivational speech, but I now realize that this thread was actually about DCs to begin with. So go ahead dudes, and let us know when something worth paying attention to has happened :p

Meta_Vision

5:56 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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re "facts" ... RHETORICAL QUESTION:

If you make a decision based on total B.S.
that turns out to be profitable ...

... is the total B.S. now factual?

I.E. (based on George Soros) Never underestimate
the value of a fruitful fallacy. :)

I.E. Be careful when tuning out B.S. ...
or you may lose a fortune.

I.E. "There's got to be a pony in here somewhere." :)

reseller

7:27 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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tigger

>>I'm sick reading about this DC and that DC and what MC has said & filling spam reports but sometimes you have to wade through the rubbish to find useful content <<

You disappointed me, tigger.

Being a moderator of one of this great community forums, we expect from you more respect to our kind fellow members posts and opinions.

How dare you calling our posts for rubbish?

Maybe Brett should be more careful next time he chose a moderator.

MikeDammann

7:32 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Being a moderator myself on several forums, I can relate to how annoying threads like these must be for Tigger. Give him a break, man!

tigger

7:39 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm not saying all the posts are rubbish at all, but do we really need to keep seeing the same posting regarding the spam report when just about everyone here knows the details on how to file one

Like a lot here I'm trying to find a way forward out of this mess and hopefully reading postings here may give me some insight into whats going on, but personally I don't need to keep seeing this spam report being posted almost daily.

Pico_Train

7:40 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The next step from google is to swap the positioning of the natural results with that of the paid or sponsored links.

That should double income!

Get it over with Google, just do it now and finish us off, once and for all.

I can't take it anymore, I am going to start a porn site with nerds as models!

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