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Update Saga. Part 6

     
6:25 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The same down-and-on problem here in Turkey.
But j3 goes on and off. No steady results. At least three different sets:

216.239.63.104 (I think with additional tweaks)
64.233.161.104 (still J2)
64.233.179.104 (J3)

11:41 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Actually I already applied for the job :)
11:49 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If jagger is over they must be starting another update as of this morning with many Data centers bouncing back to weeks ago..I don't think it is over...
11:52 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)



somehow i have a deep hidden filling that it can't be over.Why a pagesite rank very high in some keywords and is nowhere or after page 3 - 10 in other keywords.
11:52 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)



sorry a site I mean.
11:55 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thank you colin_h - you got a good laugh out of me!
11:55 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I dunno whether this update is really over or not - but Google could send me the bot. I don't care which one - Moz or Gbot.

After this update I have around 20'000 url only pages - and that is NOT funny at all...

Thanks

itloc

12:01 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone else noticed a rollback to the toolbar PR from a few weeks ago?

div01, I hope its a rollback, or I'm screwed because my bar's looking pretty empty. :-)

12:12 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Jamsy

I have been trying too to discover why google.co.uk is not showing J3. As you say all the data centres show it, but not google.co.uk. It's really wierd. Is it a glitch or intentional. If you ping google.co.uk and get the ip address and then use that ip for a search you get J3 results.

12:30 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes, it's true. The google.co.uk rankings genuinely don't match any of the data centres. I think this is true of many of the regional variations from what I see.
1:28 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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lets hope they are keeping jagger3 just in the US for themselves ;)
2:29 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I for one, think that Jagger marked a new dawn for the way Google dances. I think that it will be harder to name updates in the future, because one will blend "hopefully" seemlessly into the next.

Everflux people. EVERflux.

2:58 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Google results are not static. They do not do an update and then keep the results unchanging until the next update. They change day to day. That is how Google works. It is called everflux. This is not a secret.

Google is not broken, on the whole. There may be specific problems with specific issues, but the index is in fine shape. In fact, it's pretty much the index the Google engineers planned to have, after extensive testing and development. That is the fact. You can boohoo all you want and sour-grapes until the end of time but this is the index Google wants to have right now, so come to terms with it and try to rank well in this index.

3:14 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Agreed.

My current project... getting my primary site back to Title listings. URL only listings have ruined me.

6:26 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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..."Google results are not static.."

So, then, EverFlux has introduced the following translation of the above:

..."Google results are eratic.. "?

Not good for the user!

Maybe their engineers have been taking chaos theory to seriously? .. JAO

6:34 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)



I agree with Frup in the comments regarding google not being broken. I think this is only the beginning, there is so much more to do and I think that google is planning to let the buying season pass before the real changes start to occur.

As yet it doesn't seem that google have addressed the simplest forms of spam (ie. keyword stuffing & hidden text). The index seems to lean towards the safe big brands for the most competitive keyphrases. They don't seem to acting immediately on reports of abuse and they are giving less regard to the older sites than they used to.

All in all I believe that January is when the biggest changes will occur ... a real assault on the spammers and a total cleanup of the index. You can bet that there's a massive list of reported sites to review and take action on and IMHO I think it will happen in the retail lull of mid-January.

All we can do is clean up and brace down

8:28 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Good morning Folks

A great day to witness the FLUX. Everything is dancing on those lovely DCs :-)

And as you might have correctly guessed we are approaching the end of The Father of All Looooooong Updates, Jagger (nickname SAGA).

Those of you who are doing well..Congrats!

And the other friends who are suffering.. your new chance mightbe on the next update around primo Feb 2006.

And from me a last Jagger song to Google for this time:

Oh Google! You Are Simply The Best... Better Than All The Rest :-)

8:44 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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the results on .com I can live with they are not good by far BUT on .co.uk using local search is rubbish (being very polite here), I've never seen so many black hat redirect doorways listed in just about every sector - something has to be done with this - will the flux fix this I don't think so
9:01 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Honestly these are the best SERP's I think I've ever seen on Google. I've bashed and bashed and bashed Google but to be honest these SERP's are cleaner than what they had pre-jagger 1,2,3. Still some SERP's have spam but name a search engine that doesn't have spam. I honestly think MSN is already giving Google a run for their money and Google knows it has to keep ahead of Goliath or it will die in short order.

My hats off to you Google for once! I never thought I'd say that honestly! 9 out of 10 results are relevant for the searches I consistenly watch when pre-jagger it was 3 out of 10.

[edited by: MLHmptn at 9:05 am (utc) on Nov. 24, 2005]

9:02 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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< the results on .com I can live with they are not good by far BUT on .co.uk using local search is rubbish (being very polite here), I've never seen so many black hat redirect doorways listed in just about every sector - something has to be done with this - will the flux fix this I don't think so >

Agreed. I've reported one site ten times at least (which is number on in my sector for hundreds of vital kw's which has hundreds of these pages), but it's still there. :(
It's still on MSN too and 8 out of 10 of the top page results are this company site. Not sure how they think they can get away with it forever, but they must be doing fantastic business so maybe they don't care!

9:07 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Tigger, you see it's all relative isn't it. Because the results in my area on .co.uk look fabulous. Best in years. Out with the spammy affiliate sites; in with the online specialists and even some of the big department stores (who should get a look in). For commercial (retail) searches, in the area I look at, Google seems to be returning sites you can actually buy from, which is refreshing. And, not a single search results page from some minor SE within the top 10 results.
9:21 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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maybe its just the terms I'm checking then but across a vary keywords the results on .co.uk are very poor pulling up Amazon, Ebay, Yahoo, handful of directories & loads of spammy cloaked doorways
10:19 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If I am honest, I think some parts of the algo are an improvement - with the home pages of the actual supplier coming near the top in most cases for my sector - this is how it should be. It is the smaller websites linking to those suppliers that have been the hardest hit with authority sites ranking highly.

But here is the rub - if I spend 70% of my time creating useful content on non money pages for which I receive links and praise, I will need the money pages to pay for this! So google looks at my site and still ranks it high for non money pages but tanks it on the money pages... unfortunately, I can't afford to work for nothing! I feel the algo has ignored a sites popularity for the money pages.... the end result will be more niche, with users needing to look at several specialist websites rather than one. Every sector will be dominated by the same niche suppliers - IMO the web just got more boring.

10:54 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)



I can see more results that look relevant at first glance, but relevance is a subjective term. When I look at the source code of the top ten of the 20 or so keyphrases that I'm interested in, I can see why they got listed higher than others ... additional text packed to the gunnels with repeated title comments.

IMO it isn't good enough to return pages that just have more repeated keyphrases slotted in here and there (sometimes hidden behind tiny 2px <div> tags). The internet is about content, bargains and accessibility and these spam sites are depreciating all of these.

If you pack keywords to get higher listings ... Google's gonna get ya!

11:50 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)



" So google looks at my site and still ranks it high for non money pages but tanks it on the money pages"
same boat here ,I wish I had a clue ,if someone can give us an advise.
12:01 pm on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My site has multiple topics. Serps for horses and outdoor seem to be fine. Serps for computer related articles are still down. I think Google is working through the index topic by topic.

I think we should wait and see for another two or three days.

4:17 pm on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Gee, well if I ever need to find an outdoor horse I know where to go...
4:34 pm on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I wonder if Google is focusing on topics like money and computers because there are more spammy pages in those areas while niche topics like horses and in my case the history of a craft are being left alone.

Not to say that your computer or money pages are spammy but that things are churning around in those type topics.

Just a wild theory as to why some sites have plunged and others haven't. I know a lot of people are thinking their recip links are the cause but I think we have pretty well established they aren't a problem across the board.

DH peeling potatoes while I take a break from turkey day prep. Hmm, is the eternal update saga really a break?

5:17 pm on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have serveral sites that use recips but I only trade with related or very closely related sites.

These sites are doing just fine.

So discounting all reciprocal linking is just plain stupid.

As with every update since I started watching them numerous years ago, people post on here like what they say is gospel when in fact it is far from it. The ONLY person who ever posts on this board who knows any facts about Google is GoogleGuy. Everybody else's post is just observations and their opinions based on areas they are watching and as with all updates, certain areas seem to be hit harder than others.

The update is over, quit watching the DC's and move on.

Now go eat some turkey!

5:23 pm on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>The update is over, quit watching the DC's and move on.

Personally I am seeing the most movement of the update so far over the last few days.

Dont know which way it will go for my site (well cant go down :P (much)) - so just watching.

However, we must be in Post Jagger 1,2,3 mode by now.

5:35 pm on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>The update is over, quit watching the DC's and move on. <<

Phew thanks for declaring it over...oh, but hang on - you said:

>>The ONLY person who ever posts on this board who knows any facts about Google is GoogleGuy'<<

Ahhh well the saga continues...!

Enjoy your turkey! I'm so hungry I might order myself one of those outdoor horses I found on google..

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