Update Saga. Part 6

[selomelo]

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The same down-and-on problem here in Turkey.
But j3 goes on and off. No steady results. At least three different sets:

216.239.63.104 (I think with additional tweaks)
64.233.161.104 (still J2)
64.233.179.104 (J3)

[McMohan]

reseller, I have been checking out the saga thread regularly, but post Jagger, pressure was quite high to act than just watch and post. No matter what others say, I still like your morning wishes and spam reminders. Breaks the stereotype.

And that what I meant by brought it up-to-date; "aligned it with other DCs".

I get it now :-)

zikos, though I do not agree with your human intervention theory in all but few instances, in the example you provided, agree with you and I see there could be hundreds of better candidates for the search term, than the one you highlighted. True with almost all search terms that I watch. Guess, this is the fallout of turning the authority knob, trustrank and all the filters along with sandbox in place.

[suggy]

Zikos - can't see where what you showed me was evidence of anything? I think a scientist or a jury would require a little more proof (thankfully!).

It's long been known that inbound link text has a massive impact on SERPs. Add that to the whole TRUSTRANK phenomenon (that's definitely part of this update) and it's perfectly reasonable to witness little on-page optimisation / matching. That definitely doesn't mean it's a fix/ manual edit.

As an aside, your jumping to conclusions is akin to other participants proclaiming the end of the world for SEO, just because their site bombed. Trust me, there's plenty of people doing very nicely indeed even in the post-apocalyptic post-Jagger world and even on "big money terms".

Regards

Suggy

[g1smd]

>> Therefore Test-DC [64.233.179.104...] <<

>> First they have updated its cache and brought it up-to-date. <<

No they have not. The supplemental results that I can see are still up to almost 2 years old, and are a different list of pages to those listed in most other datacentres.

>> On contrary, they just aligned it with other DCs. <<

Nope. Not that either.

[reseller]

Good morning Folks

Please welcome new serps on The Mother of All Test DCs, only on Google and the great community of WebmasterWorld :-)

[64.233.179.104...]

Really folks, within the sector I'm watching I see new set of serps. And I'm not gonna say; good serps or bad serps. I'm leaving to you that privilege ;-)

[reseller]

Folks!

While most of you here in Europe are still in bed, I have noticed backlinks update on the test DC [64.233.179.104...] and few other DCs as well ;-)

Do you see the same?

[zikos]

tag reseler
You must be an early bird or you see Google in your dreams.(I see nightmares of google thats why I wake up so early)
Anyway that DC has the old link account on the link command.I think I discover something very important for Dayo about http versus www issue and as well why Google don't recognise the root of some sites.I hae some sites share a common serer all those sites are not in the webspace / but on folders ie site www.mysitea.com at folder /a and so on ,now all those sites if you do the site command site:www.mysite.com the index comes first .Does that make sense? My main site that has been hit is at a diferent host the root directory is the web space / .On site command the index is at the 10 page about and it has the http versus www problem ie myste.com versus www.mysite.com.Therefore I will create a folder (abcd) and I will reedit the destination of the page to point not at / but at /abcd.
I will wait Dayo to wake up an tell me what he things.

[zikos]

reseller is not a backlink update there are 4 DC's that showing the links from October before the new link update.

[McMohan]

Good morning reseller :-) Had your piping hot cappuccino?

I don't see any new set of ranks for the sectors I watch on that dc. Looks very Jaggerish. On backlink update, is it a backlink update or a revert?

[reseller]

Good morning zikos

>>reseller is not a backlink update there are 4 DC's that showing the links from October before the new link update.<<

Are you telling me that The Mother of All Test DCs is showing a rollback of backlinks (:(

[zikos]

I think so.That's why is a test DC.

[reseller]

Good morning McMohan

>>Good morning reseller :-) Had your piping hot cappuccino?<<

Yes my friend. I have had two of the kind because of the cold weather here. No real morning without the good Danish brand cappuccino :-)

>> On backlink update, is it a backlink update or a revert?<<

Don't know. zikos claims its the good old backlinks that we see on the test-DC.

[reseller]

Good morning GoogleGuy

Long time no post :-)

In case you haven't hit the bed yet. Any weather report about that lovely test-DC?

[64.233.179.104...]

Thanks a bunch!

[zikos]

reseler don't expect GG to post until they fix the bugs (part of PR profile).and anyway to post what?
What I focus now are my holidays in 3 weeks if there any changes to come they will at primo february as you said a few pages back.What we need now is cool nerves and Caputsino.(by the way I will be in the land of real Caputsino in 3 weeks I can send you some from there with some Parmezana as well :)

[reseller]

zikos

>>reseler don't expect GG to post until they fix the bugs (part of PR profile).and anyway to post what?
What I focus now are my holidays in 3 weeks if there any changes to come they will at primo february as you said a few pages back.<<

We need GG to tell us for example when we might expect to send feedback about the test-DC, and what to focus our feedback upon.

>>What we need now is cool nerves and Caputsino.(by the way I will be in the land of real Caputsino in 3 weeks I can send you some from there with some Parmezana as well :) <<

Thanks. Lucky you. Enjoy your trip to the land of cappuccino & Parmezana :-)

[cyclinder]

I've managed to get a lot of good _one way_ links to one of my sites(mostly PR4 - PR5), during last 2 months, but this did not improve my rankings even on a single position.

Which makes me thing that google ack this links, etc but did not add their value to the overall factor.
This differs from a common knowledge, where the link become of value on the first index of the page it resides in.

Any thoughts?

[tigger]

think your find that G ignores links for a period of time depending on the site so it may well take a few updates before you see any benefit from your hard work

[Eazygoin]

I have read a few comments about having a fixed set of SERP's once an update is done.
This is impossible due to the nature of the ever changing web, with pages being added and deleted by the minute.
IMO when Google does a deep crawl on an established website,it picks up on new pages and adds them to the index in the relevant place. It also deletes old pages at the same time, albeit not always straight away.
Hence, everflux is a continuous and necessary part of the process of updating.
I also believe that websites are pushed up or down the index according to their relativety. However, the process is not infallable, and sometimes a site moves the wrong way undeservedly.
Regarding links, if a large number of links are added over a short period, Google will assume they are not organic or earnt links, and will not only discard them, but may penalise a site for trying to cheat the system.

[MikeDammann]

I'm not sure that it's really that simple. Let's say Google registers a new domain name such as googleanalytics.com
Within a very short period of time you would see 10s of 1,000s of new links coming into a brandnew domain. Would that cause a ban? Of course not. There are many ways Google detects whether something is happening naturally or if someone is going crazy buying links. So all this talk can really confuse some webmasters who would do things right "by accident" if they didn't become paranoid reading about filter this, ban that, sandbox here, penalty there.

[Eazygoin]

MikeDammann>>

Exactly! It's not as simple as that! Firstly, I did not say anything about banning a site, and secondly, my whole point was that Google has ways of sorting out natural links from those who buy or indeed add links that they have done via reciprocals or linkfarm method, in a rapid fashion and over a short period of time.
You are quite right in your assertion that a new URL of substantial interest will obtain many natural links by way of other websites, and this is acceptable, but I was referring to a recent post by someone who said they had added a load of one way links in the past month or two, and saw no change in their rankings :-)))

[edited by: Eazygoin at 9:06 am (utc) on Dec. 2, 2005]

[Dayo_UK]

It is definetly a BL and PR rollback on some DCs - this has been going on and off DCs for a while.

Which in itself is not strange - although the BL/PR update was a while ago now.

I would also like confirmation of what feedback we are supposed to give on the test dc.

Current feedback - whats different ;)

[reseller]

Dayo_UK

>>I would also like confirmation of what feedback we are supposed to give on the test dc.
Current feedback - whats different ;)<<

I wouldn't be surprised if either GG or Inigo would ask for feedback about the followings on the test DC:

- spam at top of the serps

- search quality "relevancy"

- minor canonicals fix

- minor supplementals fix

- whether we still love google and sing for it each morning :-)

Anything else which I might forgot to mention?

[Dayo_UK]

Reseller

This is going to be the "Big Daddy" though - he he (well feedback name - so the Big Daddy update)

I would expect something Big - lol.

301/302 fix must be what this is about judging by MC comments (IMO)

[reseller]

Dayo_UK

Great. So I'm adding a new point to the test DC feedback list.

Operation Feedback BigDaddy (nickname BlinkingInigo)

- spam at top of the serps

- search quality "relevancy"

- 301/302 major fix (to satisfy Dayo_UK :-))

- minor canonicals fix

- minor supplementals fix

- whether we still love google and sing for it each morning :-)

Anything else..folks?

[zikos]

Dayo earlier I wrote this for you
"I think I discover something very important for Dayo about http versus www issue and as well why Google don't recognise the root of some sites.I hae some sites share a common serer all those sites are not in the webspace / but on folders ie site www.mysitea.com at folder /a and so on ,now all those sites if you do the site command site:www.mysite.com the index comes first .Does that make sense? My main site that has been hit is at a diferent host the root directory is the web space / .On site command the index is at the 10 page about and it has the http versus www problem ie myste.com versus www.mysite.com.Therefore I will create a folder (abcd) and I will reedit the destination of the page to point not at / but at /abcd. "
Any ideas please let me know.

[Dayo_UK]

Zikos

I have domains that point to /abcd (or whatever) and domains at / that have been effected.

So I dont think making that change will solve the problem.

Reseller - asked MC about Mozilla Googlebot yet ;)

[tigger]

something I've also noticed is G is sending traffic to www.myurl.co.uk//abcd odd with two back slashes?

[g1smd]

That comes up a lot. Someone somewhere has a malformed link pointing at you.

[zikos]

"Someone somewhere has a malformed link pointing at you."
Dayo I think what probably said g1smd is the reason.
Any thoughts?

[Dayo_UK]

Zikos

Not sure what you mean.

I think G1smd means a link to Tigger sites is in this format:-

[webmasterworld.com...]

Eg. Double // after.com or where ever.

I dont think the problems Google has determining the root is caused by that - eg the problems are more likely to be caused by duplicate homepages (eg non-www and www) or a 302 hijack of the homepage.

[zikos]

Dayo I mean what if someone creates a few duzins of links points to you [yoursite.com...]
Tigger problem is that someone has created links to www.tiggersite.com//abcd
That's what I mean.
And finally Google has prooved that is the most vulnerable SE ti highjackers.If someone wants to destroy your site he has 1000 tricks available because of G's bugs.