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The same down-and-on problem here in Turkey.
But j3 goes on and off. No steady results. At least three different sets:
216.239.63.104 (I think with additional tweaks)
64.233.161.104 (still J2)
64.233.179.104 (J3)
true I couldn't agree more and forgetting for one moment that "I'M" one of those webmasters that have lost out when comparing the results against other SE's the results are poor - but as "I'M" obviously a spammer I'm bound to be saying that
About March this year my main site was dumped from Google.. I took a long hard look at why and modified my site accordingly. Not spammy modifications but things like killing my 'supporting network', WC3, unique meta on each page, and a clear site structure.
Basically I removed everything that Google could see as being spam.
About 3 months later I was back in Google and after Jagger I am 1 (UK) or 2 (world) for my main search term.
Dayo, I think you must mean a different site. My site has been as clean as a whistle in a washing machine for a long while now.
I'm not trying to kick any of you but there is a lesson to be learnt from my experience.
That lesson is, in my view, that artifical manipulation of Google serps is a dying art. Google now has a nearly spam free base with every chance that it will be 100% spam free once more reports come in. From that base it can add new sites slowly and with human verification through the spam reports, knowing that it is maintaining index quality all the time.
So the way to get top of Google is to have an established site with good content and quality backlinks. That can't be a bad thing, can it?
My main point, and the thing that has been my steady view for the past year or so, is that Google needed to move towards more human intervention in the serps.
By taking spam reports seriously Google did what I wanted it to do and has vastly improved their index.
No other search engine would be able to get the volume of spam reports that Google has got. It is that volume of human intervention that gives Google an unassailable lead over Yahoo/MSN.
The chance of Google going Altavista is not going to happen.
However, there is work to be done on fixing issues which have effected some sites (including yours for a month or so).
We know that Google are working on it. We know that there is a test DC (not sure this is visible as I cant see much difference on the named dc) and we know that it is a very high chance that this is looking at resolving 301s,302s etc (and other issues like Canonicals which are related) - as this was mentioned as being on a test DC by MC in Las Vegas.
thecityofgold2005
Ok - fine - yes, build a good clean site etc and in the long term you should be fine.
and in the long term - Google will almost deffo fix the bugs that still remain...
it is just that a lot of posters here probably are suffering from short term issues, althought for some the short term seems longish (Lol) - some posters are spammers of course ;) - however to be honest - the big spammers dont bother posting at WebmasterWorld - they are just building the next 100 odd auto generated, link to your own serps site - updates dont really effect them.
[edited by: walkman at 3:04 pm (utc) on Dec. 3, 2005]
These people are a minority and a dwindling minority at that.
It's the people who post 'Google serps are awful compared to Yahoo/MSN' who make me laugh.
I personally think Yahoo are doing a decent job nowadays - although there are some obvious problems.
and theres something wrong with me making a statement like that. all I'm doing is comparing results nothing more and from the keywords I'm looking at they are much better
Nothing wrong with it as long as you accept that it is your subjective opinion that see's Yahoo/MSN results as better than Google.
Google accounts for almost 90% of my search engine referalls with similar position on all of them.
on G
1 - relevant
2/3 directory
4/5 amazon
6 news site
7 - relevant
8 - relevant
9 - travel directory
10 - directory
so from the top 10 there are only 3 relevant sites
>Well anyone who thinks MSN are doing well need there head examined
in that case I better go to the doc's :)
Google UK World Search
1. USA RELEVANT RESEARCH - V.LONG RUNNING
2. UK RELEVANT PRODUCT (ME)
3. EIRE RELEVANT PRODUCT
4. UK RELEVANT PRODUCT
5. UK RELEVANT PRODUCT
6. USA RELEVANT PRODUCT
7. USA RELEVANT RESEARCH
8. USA RELEVANT NEWS
9. UK RELEVANT PRODUCT
10. UK RELEVANT INDEX / INFO
Yahoo UK World Search
1. UK RELEVANT PRODUCT (SPAM)
2. EIRE RELEVANT PRODUCT
3. UK RELEVANT PRODUCT
4. UK RELEVANT PRODUCT (ME)
5. UK RELEVANT PRODUCT (SPAM)
6. MIRROR OF SERP1 (SPAM)
7. MIRROR OF SERP1 (SPAM)
8. CLONE SITE OF SERP5 (SPAM)
9. USA RELEVANT INDEX/INFO
10. UK RELEVANT PRODUCT
MSN UK
1. UK RELEVANT PRODUCT (SPAM)
2. UK RELEVANT PRODUCT (ME)
3. UK RELEVANT PRODUCT
4. UK RELEVANT PRODUCT (SPAM)
5. MIRROR OF SERP1 (SPAM)
6. MIRROR OF SERP1 (SPAM)
7. UK RELEVANT PRODUCT
8. CLONE SITE OF SERP4 (SPAM)
9. CLONE SITE OF SERP4 (SPAM)
10. UK RELEVANT PRODUCT
So, as you can see, Yahoo/MSN still have big problems with clone/mirror sites filling up their SERPS. Google has entirely fixed this problem in my sector since Jagger
That lesson is, in my view, that artifical manipulation of Google serps is a dying art.
YEAH! the only way to manipulate the SERPss is to build cool sites. this way is good as allows one to manually manipulate all search engines' results :-)
>>If I come back from this awful bug that has effected so many sites - I hope I dont come on this forum on the high ground calling everyone who struggles in Google a spammer.<<
You wouldn't do that Dayo. Because you have been always, kind, helpful and polite and care about how other kind fellow members feel.
Power to you my UK friend. Very glad to meet friends like you on these great generous WebmasterWorld forums.
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I see the folks at the plex trying to correct their mistakes. The serps at the moment seem more whitehat affiliate programs marketing friendly.
Maybe Google has learnt at last that there is something called:
Live and let whitehat affiliates live :-)
And
Long Live All Whitehat Affiliates :-)
Like you, I am a great believer in Google, and I receive much more traffic from them than the other 2, but I believe that all 3 main SE's provide an excellent service. The difference is that Google has taken the internet world by storm, and is considered number one, both by most webmasters, and the general public. Getting listed on Google is by far the most important criteria for success, as far as SERP's go.
:-)))
>>Reseller>
Regarding the SE comparisons you make<<
It wasn't me who made the SE comparisons :-)
yahoo.com
1.ebay
2.relevant
3.directory
4.relevant
5.relevant
6.relevant
7. relevant
8. relevant
9.relevant
10.yellowpages
msn.com
1.relevant
2.relevant
3.relevant
4.relevant
5.relevant
6.relevant
7.relevant
8.relevant
9.relevant
10.relevant
google.com
1.relevant
2.relevant
3.ebay
4.relevant
5.relevant
6.yellowpages
7.directory
8.relevant
9.directory
10.google directory listing
The only other thing to comment on is:
Any one else having weird pr things happening? I keep reverting to prior update pr and dropping out of the serps and then back to new pr and back in the serps. Happened 3 times in last 24 hours. Directory shows the same new pr regardless.
Also, I just had one of my pages go url only and I looked it over. I had just stripped my alt tags to reduce impression of optimization and I had also stripped some unneccesary decoration to speed up load time. I had accidentally left a div and table tag empty. Corrected that. Wonder if that caused the url only reaction.
A few members have also said PR seems to be moving a bit maybe we have an update brewing as well -
Apologies :-)
My eyes must be going! I guess too much vino on the beach today! But watching the flamingos was fab [I think they were flamingos, what with my eyes..lol!]
On a serious note, my traffic shot up on Google these last 3 days, and I thought whoopee, only to realise it was people searching for the non available Xbox 360!
By the way, off topic, my server has gone down 3 times in the last month, for an average of 1 hour 10 mins. Is this considered acceptable? I use a high speed server with no bandwidth limits.
There are also less entries for secondary URLs on the same domains -- i.e. mainsite.com followed by indented mainsite.com/widget/ -- the preference here seems to be for roots over directories, although I'm not sure how good that is.
A few slightly spammy sites remain, but it does generally look much tidier to me.
Both supplemental and canonical issues have been cleared up for us here, whereas they still appear on some of the other DCs.
I notice a big difference in results for 2/3 word phrases. On other DCs, sites with 2 words of a 3 word phrase they are targeting rank well for several phrases I monitor, whereas here it seems to have dropped these sites in favor of sites that particularly target the 2 words only – that sounds really confusing, but I’m sure you’ll all know what I mean.
Also, this DC seems not to be listing sites for singular terms that target the plural, whereas these sites appear on other DCs for both.
All-in-all, this DC appears more relevant and cleaner, even though we've lost out a little as a result.
Yes it has been reported that the results of the test DC have migrated to some other DCs.
>seem more whitehat affiliate programs marketing friendly
You mean no cloaking?
>>reseller,
>seem more whitehat affiliate programs marketing friendly
You mean no cloaking? <<
I meant within the sectors I watch, I see there are sites following ethical affiliate marketing methodes.
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this is worts results i saw in any search engine
