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Update Saga. Part 6

   
6:25 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The same down-and-on problem here in Turkey.
But j3 goes on and off. No steady results. At least three different sets:

216.239.63.104 (I think with additional tweaks)
64.233.161.104 (still J2)
64.233.179.104 (J3)

7:14 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It looks just like a temp rollback on a couple of DCs of PR and BL - not a big deal.

Happens sometimes - especially during update time.

If anyone is seeing a whole new PR and BL figures - then please correct me if I am wrong.

7:18 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dayo >> agreed as usual, I don't see any new BL nor PR, only old pre jagger stuff too.

Also seen some nice sites wiped out, nowhere to be seen again and can't figure out why...weird. (Well you know what I'm talking about pretty well unfortunately)

8:35 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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taps

>>After flux is done this will turn into everflux. ("Everflux" is a trademark of flux-guru reseller.)<<

LOL..

In fact it was GoogleGuy who insisted on "everflux" in a post exchange we two had during Bourbon. I said "everchanging" but GG preferred to call it everflux.

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googleguy

There has been several interpretations to this line of yours:

- Then there will still be some minor changes after that as well.

I myself wish to ask whether that means that the serps shall be "everchanging" or what I call "The Rotating Algos" ;-) as in the case after allegra update.

Would you be kind to elaborate more?

Thanks

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msg #:565 6:18 am on June 2, 2005 (utc 0)

reseller, currently, a few data centers have some different data that should be everywhere in a few days. I'll keep people posted on the status of things, and collect feedback closer to the end after things are settling down more. I'd expect that things will be back to their normal level of everflux by New Orleans. But we do have incremental indexing after all, so it's normal to expect a certain amount of change to the index every day or so (aka everflux).

In fact, everflux is a pretty good analogy. If you go back to summer 2003, update Fritz was the beginning of the transition from a monthly update to an incremental index. It caused a lot of comments, because plenty of people were happy with an index that only changed once a month. A lot of the thickness in my hide started with Fritz during summer two years ago. :) Summer in the northern hemisphere is often a good time for a search engines to work on revamping different parts of our system and improving our quality; typically search engine traffic is lower in the summer due to seasonality. So the summer is a good time to think about things like bringing in new signals of quality and ways to rank pages, plus doing things like reorganizing our webmaster pages, etc. etc.
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8:41 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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And once again, poof, the slightly healed results disappear, swallowed up by the main body of corrupt data. They've tried to introduce this three times now, but the main data just seems so cancerous nothing else can live once it is introduced.
8:44 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm tired of updates. Purge the whole crappy engine of all of its worthless data and start over - as a search engine once again.

The first company to release a search engine that is automated in a manner such as google is, but flags certain things for manual human review - will take over.

Hmmmm... what to do with the 10 extra computers collecting dust and the old server.

9:28 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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NoLimits,

Ahh, yes but have you priced storage in the gigagigabyte range lately, you also might want to upgrade those 135Watt power supplies ;-).

9:40 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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steve b - i was just about to say the same thing...i wonder if they'll ever come back?
9:42 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A serious plea for GG or Matt:

Like many other businesses on this forum, mine is seriously suffering with this update. Out of courtesy and hopefully a feeling of 'comrade in arms' against bad serps (I do believe we all want relevant SERPS at the end of the day) can we please have some kind of 'heads up'. Simply, when can we expect things to settle so that we can get on with the business of improving our websites. There is an inevitable amount of stagnation at times like these... webmasters are too wary of changing/improving websites for fear of clouding the results of this update for them personally - this is surely to the detriment of everyone, including google.

9:52 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just for the record, the term "everflux" has been around for years on WW and appeared on the glossary page when it worked.
10:18 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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i just noticed something...

last week, if i did site:mydomain.com -www, I had under 10 results...I implemented a 301 redirected in my htaccess file just to clear things up - now I have about 50 results!...why would this happen?

10:34 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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1) if they are supplemetals, they will never die and will appear in different size batches all the time

2) if they are URL only, that just reflects Google having seen the URL but not crawled it. If you get Google to crawl to that non-www URL only listing, it will go away pretty quick

3) if they are full, non-supplemental listings, thenI'd have no clue (other than the standard one that google is mucked up)

10:52 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sites which "haven't tried very hard" are all over the place in this update.

I have to say in a rather embarrassing statement that this includes my own!

I feel the full wrath is yet to be unleashed.

Brace yourself guys and don't put a deposit down on that new car just yet.....

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11:07 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's time to poll the WebmasterWorld community:

Has Jagger officially ended?

1) Yes
2) No
3) I don't know
4) It depends on which country (Google.com, .de, .uk)

Thank you for your answers!

11:30 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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And once again, poof, the slightly healed results disappear, swallowed up by the main body of corrupt data. They've tried to introduce this three times now, but the main data just seems so cancerous nothing else can live once it is introduced.

Steve,

To me it looks like they needed to stop j3 flux at a point early last week in order to bring all datacenters online with j3. If they allowed continued flux of crawl data to populate the 66 datacenters then they would not have been able to sync up the additional datacenters. Matt had indicated that all centers had to be turned on individually. Without a cut off point, the datacenters would all be at different levels of the flux cycle from the crawl data. I expect additional flux for a couple of weeks before this becomes final

11:50 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Has Jagger officially ended?

There has been no official announcement this week at all, to my knowledge. And, unofficially, we are definitely seeing some major flux. Jarrger is still churning.

-S

11:54 pm on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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StriderUK

Very good point.

Well intended and politely put forward. Let us see if a an eloquent human plea is suffice to coax google's heuristically inclined soothsayer to a timely response. Or indeed, just to put forward a speculative formula for cryptic crossword lovers.

Just to be safe. Don't expect a proper reply.

12:22 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I hardly dare believe it, but it should be over.

For the first time in all the years I have been watching them, popular searches for "widgets" in my area produce real genuine companies in every place of the top 10.

I recognise the names of the companies as being bona fide, relevant and, even, leaders!

I don't think it gets any better than this? Not without manual editing.

Then again, my company's site is in that top 10 most times!

Google - don't touch a thing. These are the best commercial results I have ever seen in my chosen specialist area.

12:37 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hmmmm

One mans havanna is another mans poison!

Results currently need a tweak, turn down the age knob a bit and reduce the number of directory sites ranking high.

I prefer to see results as relevent to the search term as possible, thats what can make a search engine the best to use.

Once the serps return lots of aged sites non relevent to the search term above younger more relevent sites and push directory sites to the top above sites dedicated to the subject, thats when its time to say the results could be better.

Currently thats where we are with Google imo.

1:49 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Once the serps return lots of aged sites non relevent to the search term above younger more relevent sites and push directory sites to the top above sites dedicated to the subject, thats when its time to say the results could be better.

The major problem being distinguishing relevancy from SPAM.

It amazes me how people can make Google's problems sound so simple :)

2:00 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Is it just me or is there major cache problems with Google? I have pages that show they have been indexed on Nov 20-21 but the pages that are showing up are old versions that have been changed for over a month. I think Google has bitten off more then they can chew.
2:27 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have the same problem. My traffic is way down these few days, i don't know if this may be causing it.
4:25 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well suddenly when I do site:mysite.com I get the www and the non-www in my returns with the non www bring url only. I also get long dead pages I haven't seen in the serps since may and my pr rank has all dropped back to pre update levels. I had pages gaining rank yesterday. Now all is a mix in the site: results of new and old. What a mess.
5:54 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hell, One site goes up and one site goes down - whats the difference.

UK site getting mondo traffic and US site getting squat.

Swings and roundabouts.

However, cloaked sites doing good UK or US. Here is a small snippet of info. Forget white hat, go black hat. Get traffic and what the hey...

I am sick of promoting white hat sites to get slammed by jagger-?

Game the engines and dont let them game you!

6:14 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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PhraSEOlogy

You are probably right. Google is trying to do everything with algos. It just is not going to work. People will learn to work around them.

White hat will get hammered while black hat will use a quick, but big, hit and run technique.

Google has not yet realized that effectively getting spam out is probably going to take human intervention. But then maybe they have realized that, but they do not want to spend the money on people.

They do a horrible job of providing customer service and communication now. I would not expect that they would do any better with servicing a human spam removal process.

Algos can do a lot. But it takes people to run a business.

Black hat will beat the algos.

6:32 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Good morning Folks

Be Happy :-)

This SAGA Update is still in FLUX and can see few sets of results vibrating through out the DCs.

Two more weeks and its over, I guess.

Meanwhile... To Be Happy or Not to Be Happy.. Thats the question :-)

7:48 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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(1) All human intervention is corrupt by definition.

(2) Algorithms may be gamed by corrupt humans.

(1) + (2) = Keep the Internet Pure: No Humans Allowed!

{smile}

8:07 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)



Ergent! webmasterworld has been hit from Jagger has now PR0 and lost its #1 for search result webmaster "Results 1 - 10 of about 651,000,000 for webmaster" .
I just posted as a new topic and is onhold at the moment
8:11 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)



better to say is been removed from Google index ,I dont believe it.
8:14 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Good morning,
reseller: >>In fact it was GoogleGuy who insisted on "everflux" in a post exchange we two had during Bourbon. I said "everchanging" but GG preferred to call it everflux.<<

Now that's what I call branding. I think you mentioned "everflux" sometimes in past posts. And now this term is connected to reseller - at last for me.

Back to business: seeing slightly better results this morning than yesterday. Results look much better on my local google.de here (66.249.93.104) than on any DC out there. Must be some language related thing. Or maybe 66.249.93.104 is not pre-post-jagger pi like all the others.

8:15 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Another side of Matt "Inigo" Cutts

Just read on Matt's blog that one of his two cats, Frank is seriously ill.

And in that connection, Matt wrote:

"Right now we’re doing what we can to keep him happy and healthy, so don’t expect much blog/email communication from me this week."

A very human side of Inigo comes to surface, otherwise known to be a tough guy. And those of us who are pet/birds lovers know exactly how sad it feels when those family pets/birds get ill and suffer.

Matt!

I hope the best for Frank.

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