Update Saga. Part 6

[selomelo]

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Continued from:
[webmasterworld.com...]

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The same down-and-on problem here in Turkey.
But j3 goes on and off. No steady results. At least three different sets:

216.239.63.104 (I think with additional tweaks)
64.233.161.104 (still J2)
64.233.179.104 (J3)

[zikos]

Helloooo... just anyone noticed the drop of webmasterworld or am i dreaming.....

[Dayo_UK]

Hmmmz

Nope WebmasterWorld sort of removed from the index?

Only place I can get an entry is for this search:-

[google.com...]

Site search no results!?!

[icarus]

You're not dreaming Zikos, I see exactly the same thing via 66.102.7.104 - WebmasterWorld, nada, nothing - PR0 etc. Unbelievable. This has gotta be very temporary.

[reseller]

Are you guys telling me that we don't exist on the index? or is it Google that got drunk and forgot all about us (:(

[Dayo_UK]

Hmmmz

The non-www homepage was indexed when the 301 was not in place while the hosts were changed.

But - that was like only for a couple of days.

And that search above returns the www.webmasterworld.com page.

It will come back of course as soon as someone at GPlex who has the power notices - but again - more suggestions that Google are having serious problems.

[steveb]

[webmasterworld.com...]

[taps]

What about this:
[webmasterworld.com...]

[taps]

steve: :-)

[zikos]

That proofs all the Saga of Jagger ,that explains the silent of the Lambs from GG and Matt Cutts .Google has a bug or is verry seriously ill like friz.

[Dayo_UK]

Wow - that was a quick removal if it was done by robots.txt.

Steveb - you really think so?

If that is the case get rid of supplementals by blocking Googlebot for a week or so? and then let it back in. Whole site going does not normally happen that quick - and also even if it was blocked by robots.txt I would expect url only entries on lots of pages where they have been linked to.

Perhaps Brett asked for a removal as he no longer requires SE traffic for WebmasterWorld?

[reseller]

steveb

Good eyes :-)

Therefore WebmasterWorld isn't on the index. Now who have done that?

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#
# WebmasterWorld.com: robots.txt
# GNU Robots.txt Feel free to use with credit
# given to WebmasterWorld.
#
# Please, we do NOT allow nonauthorized robots any longer.
# [searchengineworld.com...]
# Yes, feel free to copy and use the following.

User-agent: *
Disallow: /
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[steveb]

No mystery if you wander out of the Google forum occasionally....

[webmasterworld.com...]

[reseller]

Dayo_UK

>>Perhaps Brett asked for a removal as he no longer requires SE traffic for WebmasterWorld? <<

I don't think so. Because we use google search on WebmasterWorld

[zikos]

This one keeps all robots out.
User-agent: *
Disallow: /

Well I was not dreaming for some reason brett does not want to be indexed.

[lee_sufc]

i don't know if this is because of the update, but my site went to a PR6 a couple of weeks back...now, it is back to a 5.

However, using a future PR tool, I am a 6 on all the DCs?

[BillyS]

I wonder if Brett is using the URL removal tool. I was thinking about doing the same myself. Instead of removing one link at a time, you can use the removal tool and point it to your robots.txt file.

Does the 180 days apply if you do that?

[Dayo_UK]

BillyS

Is your thought that - doing this might clear up the indexing problems that Google may have on a site and eg wipe the slate clean? If so the 180(?) days might be worth it.

However, what will probably happen is Google will just add all the old supplementals back in after the removal period has elapsed......

Unfortunately G just seems broken in so many areas :(

[petehall]

Seems a shame as I used to come accross WWW on many occasions during searches on Google.

[incrediBILL]

He did it on purpose boys and girls:

[webmasterworld.com...]

[div01]

Has anyone else noticed a rollback to the toolbar PR from a few weeks ago?

[randle]

The only thing I’m noticing is how uniform the data centers are. This update looks over; collect your chips and cash out on the way to the door. Hope all survived it.

[lee_sufc]

well, if this update is over, I have to say it has been the worst few weeks of my self employed life and has made me wonder if I want to carry on doing it any more.

the results in my industry don't make sense - ie, i have a site showing my link on page, above mine for a major keyword...i have one keyword dropping from #4 to #123 for no reason, whereas a similar keyword hasn't budged!

all i hope is that in the flux to come (if any), that things will improve.

[StriderUK]

Same for us lee_sufc, I do now feel the update is over and it is very bad news for us. We have to try and work out why a couple of our keywords rank high whereas most are dismally placed. I have a sinking feeling that flux won't turn this round...time for analysis, change and hopefully survival (though sometimes I wonder if it is all worth it...) I hope others faired better.

[needinfo]

Google amd more specifically Googleguy took a descision to involve us all to some degree in these updates by notifying us on certain aspect along the way. Bearing this in mind I really cannot understand why they vcannot just simply say whether the update is still going on or whether it has ended, especially given the amount of speculation.

So GG, one simple question : Is the update still happening or has it stopped?

[frup]

GG/Matt Cutts clearly laid out the plan for the update. Jagger 1/2/3. He declared Jagger 3 on a datacenter, said it would spread, and it had. What more can you ask of them?

Update is over. This is reality. Deal with it, whether you like it (which many do) or not.

[needinfo]

I think you slightly misunderstand me, I'm not at all anxious to hear any particular way. What I mean is for example : you have your opinion which is that it is over, then others have theirs that it is not. We all know what GG and Matt have said and it is true that it looks as if J3 has spread to all DC's BUT my point is for the sake of 1 simple quick post GG could end all of this "it's over " no it's not over" posting.

[Great_Scott]

well, if this update is over, I have to say it has been the worst few weeks of my self employed life and has made me wonder if I want to carry on doing it any more.
the results in my industry don't make sense - ie, i have a site showing my link on page, above mine for a major keyword...i have one keyword dropping from #4 to #123 for no reason, whereas a similar keyword hasn't budged!

all i hope is that in the flux to come (if any), that things will improve.

lee_sufc

There is still more activity. Have you checked other datacentres?

One good avenue to explore is if any websites that point to you have been removed from google's index. You would certainly lose weight depending on the number of sites that point to you being degraded or even dropped from the index.

Look into sites that point to you. If they, overall, have diminished in rank, it is likely that they will pull you down with them.

They too may have suffered in the same way. It is a domino effect. Extremely complex. Especially when many sites link to you and you are in a competitive niche.
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[Great_Scott]

GG/Matt Cutts clearly laid out the plan for the update. Jagger 1/2/3. He declared Jagger 3 on a datacenter, said it would spread, and it had. What more can you ask of them?
Update is over. This is reality. Deal with it, whether you like it (which many do) or not.

frup,

There is no confirmation of what you say.

Nor can what you say explain yet more movement that seems very unusual, as though something is being fixed rather than a smooth running update.

I'd say google has problems. 24 billion pages may be beyond its capacity to maintain a pattern of any kind.
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[jamsy]

We can all see Jagger3 on all the data centres but why is google.co.uk not displaying jagger3 and hasn't done for at least 10 days?

Or am i missing something lol

[colin_h]

Be kind to your paper boy this christmas ... it might be me ;-)

Best of luck to all