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The same down-and-on problem here in Turkey.
But j3 goes on and off. No steady results. At least three different sets:
216.239.63.104 (I think with additional tweaks)
64.233.161.104 (still J2)
64.233.179.104 (J3)
Its windy and raining here. And can see its raining "test data centers" on this thread :-)
Here is what I see:
[64.233.179.99...] (old cache)
[64.233.167.104...] (new cache) looks like a Jagger3.
So I don't think that .179. is a testing for anything else than old data :-)
It's Sunny day over here.
Well that's good what reseller has noticed on 64.233.167.104 saying this data center looks favorable to him, but for me it's Vice Versa.
64.233.179.99 - This data center is much more favorable for me.
Anywayz people Chilll Out and Be prapared. All this Windy, Rainy and Sunny days at Google will bring more surprises ahead for us.
It's more interesing now. Others please send in ur observations on Google Data Centers.
KaMran :-)
And talking about your much appreciated spam-reporting to Matt & Co. Forgot to mention vey interesting remark from Matt in reply to a question in that connection:
Matt was asked:
"Btw, are you still taking care and action of Jagger/Jagger3 spam reports? Any good informative examples of spam reports which you have acted upon and wish to share?"
And Matt replied:
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Matt Said,
November 27, 2005 @ 11:47 pm
I’ll dig around and see what I find, Harith. We have gone through most/all of the Jagger reports at this point.
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I.e Matt & Co have been taking care of your Jagger spam-reports!
I.e keep those lovely spam-reports coming.
And I wouldn't be surprised if the kind GoogleGuy would be confirming that on this thread soon. Right GG? :-)
Let's stop playing PR for Google and stay with the facts. The Google words are open ended. They say nothing about results. Like a committee going through reports, nothing may happen.
Heh, "insanely bad" is a compliment. That's a datacenter under meltdown. Massively inflated supplementals, endless duplicates (like site.com/?123 and site.com/?2634 etc etc).
Amazing. Just watched "Crminals Minds" on CBS tonight, kinda reminds me of the obsessive compulsive 333 thing...
using www.mydomain.com -www shows 41 results, whereas it currently shows none.
also, for the past 4/5 weeks, every time a dc shows good results (for me), it is gone within a day or so. i am going to stop watching the dcs for a week or so and see how things go - i am going to be driven mad otherwise...
>>Let's stop playing PR for Google and stay with the facts.<<
Agreed. And the fact is that several fellow members who reported spam, had posted later that it was removed. Guess you can find some of those posts on different parts of Jagger update threads. Unfortunately there is at present no search facility on WebmasterWorld, otherwise I would have found examples to confirm that.
Btw, fighting spam isn't the same as "playing PR for Google". All decent hard working webmasters are expected to fight spam without being acused of "playing PR for Google" ;-)
>>Some of the DCs are losing the site ordering effect (well for some sites I watch) that was the most noticable thing of Jagger3 IMO.<<
There must be something wrong with the sites you watch :-)
Have just tested my site and can see the site ordering effect is still there on all the DCs.
I'm heading to a meeting. Catch ya latter ;-)
i dont see any supplements here, Infact this datacenter has best I have seen for a long time, One of the sites we know is all supplements till now in most of the datacenters including jagger3, but in this datacenter i dont see any supplement results, weird when other people are noticing supplement pages.
SteveB can you PM where you see supplement pages in site: or any other search,
i just PMed you a typical example for a site: search, Please can you PM me one example where you see supplement results worse than the jagger3 DCs in this DC ( 64.233.179.99 ) ,
I have told you before - the very slight Canonical problem you had with your site was fixed before Jagger - sites which are Fine and Dandy - like yours now - dont have this issue, also sites that have recently been effected dont seem to have this issue.
I am looking at sites that have not recovered from the bug that hit in Dec, Feb last year.
>>>There must be something wrong with the sites you watch :-)
Or something wrong with G.
powerofeyes
It is full of supplementals - obv different people will see different things on different sites - encourgaing that you are seeing improvements - after all it is obv not a finished DC and hopefully other sites will follow in improvements with the supplemental issue.
Different issue - very heavy Mozilla Gbot activity last night - dont know if good or bad as it is Mozilla Gbot.
That's just two different messes, with the supplementals hidden in the latter. Try
allinurl:example.com/country.asp site:example.com
and you'll see piles of supplemetals.
Anyway lets wait and see, whether this DC sticks or not doesnt matter for me, This DC has an improvement over the other DCs,
Well isn't that an oogy mess!
Seems to have less non-www homepages listed for the sites I monitor.
>>Quick, whilst reseller is at his meeting, lets declare that Jagger is over, that the flux is completed, and that GG has come and gone and talked to us all personally. Finally, lets wish each other good morning and sing the google song! Can you imagine the look on his face on his return ;-) <<
God bless, StriderUK :-)
I can't imagine life without an update thread and kind fellow members singing the Google song :-)
Hmmmmmmmmz - lets hope that by the time that MC asks for feedback it has improved.
OK, Good Points.
- As above less non-www homepages listed. (See mattcutts.com for example)
Bad Points.
- The above effected sites dont seem to have any other improvement (eg rank - not that MC has a problem ;)).
- Supplementals everywhere.
- Old Cache.
- Still have problems determing the root - whether the Good point leads to improvements in this area is yet to be seen.
Just on MC blog a bit more.
This search shows the non-www is treated as the www:-
[64.233.179.99...]
However, this search shows that it is still the root page of the site (sort of):-
[64.233.179.99...]
and again - this search shows that the non-www is sort of treated as the www again, or non-existent.:-
[64.233.179.99...]
So whatever is being tried here has not fully developed (of course I guess at this stage) - whether this develops into the fix for Google determining the correct root page for sites is yet to be seen.
And of course whether a cleanup of supplimentals etc is coming too is unknown.
[edited by: Dayo_UK at 12:19 pm (utc) on Nov. 30, 2005]
>>Lol Reseller
I have told you before - the very slight Canonical problem you had with your site was fixed before Jagger - sites which are Fine and Dandy - like yours now - dont have this issue, also sites that have recently been effected dont seem to have this issue.<<
And I should thank you Dayo_UK for your kind help in telling me about the canonical problem of my site and suggesting the 301 solution which seems to have resolved my site canonical problem. Much appreciated ;-)
Can you ask him what Mozilla Googlebot does ;)
>>Reseller - as MC answers your questions. :)
Can you ask him what Mozilla Googlebot does ;)<<
LOL...
Shall keep that in mind next time I ask Inigo a question :-)
Lol - quoting myself sorry.
I should say the long term effected sites dont seem to have any other improvements.
The short term - I dont know - judging by lee_sufc comment then perhaps.
The long term effected though may need a crawl? - Perhaps.
The other thing I notice is that doing site:www.mysite.com -www crrently shows 4 results (thought it showed none earlier) but using [64.233.179.99,...] it shows 50 something?!?
This makes me think that [64.233.179.99...] is not how things will be going (unfortuntely for me). Also, new pages which currently show on Google, don't show on that DC and the Cache on all the pages is weeks old - compared to a few days on google.com etc
I don't know if any of that shows anything but thought I'd mention it in case it did
