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Have been waiting for google's pending update but didn't get any on that. From last two days I have noticed extreme changes in search results for same google domain (like .com or .de or .nl etc.) with different interface language selected (like hl=de or hl=en or hl=nl). When you change the interface language the whole bunch of results are different.
Is this the actual update this time? Enabling the geo centric data which google wanted to implement for better localization? If yes (and if someone else is also seeing this change) then may be we can all identify the parameters of this new change, like language, servers in geographical locations or extensions (.de, .nl etc.)
-- rishi
I don't see any difference on the DC you mention, but be happy if algo change there is it will be given the name you've chosen if that's so important!
I have to admit, the supplemental stuff just doesn't interest me all that much, I've taken a look at it, checked to see if it was affecting anything, it wasn't, so I didn't worry any more about it.
Except for one thing: it's new. Like several other things I'm watching. I'm interested in the forest, and I believe I'm seeing just enough trees to see a forest. Your opinion may vary, in this case it doesn't matter at all, these are just working hypothesis, steve hasn't offered a single argument that fits with anything I'm seeing, the jugular would require something a lot more convincing, and I say this in all respect.
The feeling I have is exactly what an earlier poster noted, I feel sliders moving, default / reset buttons, I feel new software, it totally does not matter if this is right or wrong, it's just a feeling, which is good enough for me, it's not something I have to be right or wrong about, although it is nice to see that other people feel this too.
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" I have a hard time believing Google's created something they cannot control or don't know how to fix"
They haven't, my guess is that they've created something that allows them far greater control, all software geeks strive after the greatest degree of control possible, it's impossible that they would strive to create something that has the same or less degree of control than what they were running 2,3, 4 or 5 years ago. Can you say for example everflux? Updates that are not updates?
What if this is only the beginning of a new SERP? Not the final results at all.
>>reseller >>
I don't see any difference on the DC you mention, but be happy if algo change there is it will be given the name you've chosen if that's so important! <<
Thanks. Actually the name is very important issue, because its copyright of a kind fellow member:
Bacon Polenta (Copyright Matt Cutts 2005, all rights reserved) ;-)
This is very disturbing to small businesses and the very reason the internet spawned into such a grass roots tool.
Amazon/Ebay - - have your way with google!
Not where I am looking. These are supplemental results with a cache from a year ago -- but those URLs and those cached pages only appeared in the SERPs just a few months ago.
Before that time, it was some other URL that represented that content (either www vs non-www, or some completely different mirrored domain), and that other URL still ranks for the content that is actually on the page right now.
That is, the supplemental results are for URLs that were duplicate content a year ago, and those URL were suppressed from the SERPs at that time.
Now that the "real URL" has got new and updated content, the "old supplementals" are no longer seen as being a duplicate (if you compare their old cache with the up to date content of the cache of "other URL", the one that represents the page content as it is now) and they have re-appeared as "not duplicates".
However, they do not represent what is on the page right now, and therefore appear for searches where they should not really do so.
If only Google realised that the cache for many supplemental pages does not represent what the page is about now, and dropped that data, it would clean the SERPs quite a lot. In other words, stop trying to do the job of archive.org please...
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Oh, and there are two distinct sets of SERPs for supplementals. For example, for one search I see either 16 or 22 results, BUT with only 14 URLs that are common between the two searches. What is in one isn't always in the other, and vice versa. Extending this to many other searches there is no one SERP that has all of the sites that Google knows about.
Not good at all for us!
Yes, exactly. So why is that? What exactly is this thing that doesn't react in the way you expect it to react, and why doesn't it react in that way? When did this start, when was it observed the first time?
"How? What? Huh? That's not an answer. Why does Google *choose* this behavior. Just waving your arms adds to the confusion."
I'd say offhand they choose to do this behavior because they can. Not liking or not agreeing with a possible answer is fine, that's why these threads are interesting. Many observations, many eyes, makes for useful reading.
"Considering that you appear totally unaware of the Supplemental index, I'd suggest you take a look at all that you are missing."
I guess appearances can be deceiving. I think of the supplemental stuff as some type of error, that's why you can't deal with it in standard ways, that's to me quite revealing, unusual behaviors are much more interesting than standard behaviors.
"This isn't "new". Until you can actually answer the firstv three questions, why bother postulating some vague and mysterious intent on an entity that is having trouble even tying its shoes."
You postulated a group of questions, none of which I consider to be the key questions currently, they aren't the questions I'm asking, but I thought I'd give it a stab anyway. If you ask what I consider to be off track questions it's difficult to actually get meaningful answers.
But one thing you said I think is exactly right, this is not an update. And the last 'is not an update' thread was also not an 'update'. Googleguy confirmed this, but I think with a smile, since he isn't lying per se, it's true, it's not an 'update' in the sense we've gotten used to thinking of updates.
The state of 'confusion' is also interesting, that's new, the classic updates had no such sense of confusion.
All in all, I'm really liking what I see so far, although I suffer from not doing a certain type of search that many posters here do, I just don't do them, or the general class they belong to, so I don't see these results. That to me is also interesting. My guess is that the stuff that interests me is reasonably close to the stuff that interests the google engineers, they want to see a certain type of result in a certain type of search, and that hasn't changed all that much through all the updates, it goes up and down, but overall it doesn't change.
Anyway, this new stuff doesn't appear to be fully live yet, so I'll have to wait. Despite being not an update, one thing I can promise you is that some clients are going to be very bummed out when and if it rolls out.
If its not an update can we assume a return to normality with results?
Of course there are winners and losers with every update and my interest is to learn what is trying to be achieved and make my site(s) more relevent.
But if your gonna roll it out please roll it out and give it a name , looking at all the university sites comming up in serps I would suggest "Florida 2".
Adjustment, no its not just educational sites immune from this non update if your listed on stock exchange seem to be immune as well
[edited by: Pirates at 11:35 pm (utc) on Oct. 17, 2005]
Yes, exactly, that's the answer I have to be able to supply my clients at some point. The one answer I can't give is that no change happened, since it did (assuming the results we're looking at stick), I can see them, they can definitely see them.
And since I can see clear examples of sites that either benefited from those changes, or suffered from them, it's a matter of seeing what the difference is.
Absolutely I think its important to work out what has changed but first of all would like to know if we are working with an experiment or an update.
Two years is "new"? Interesting definitions you got.
Until you can explain why Google chooses to rank URLs that have no content on them, and Google knows there is no content on them, you can't make a rational argument that this is an "algo change".
Dropping a glass on the floor is neither an experiment or an update.
-- T
Today it appears I will end up with 1.6x all time high visitor count and 1.8x highest ad revenue.
With no homepage in Google results.
Wake me when it is over.
Today it appears I will end up with 1.6x all time high visitor count and 1.8x highest ad revenue.
Then it would appear you have benefited from this recent update; good for you! (Unless you are a believer that nothing has changed, then yes you are dreaming, and we promise to wake you when it’s over : )
1. are you totally gone (as in NOT in google at all)
2. still in the top 50
3. further down
All of the 3
10 sites, are gone
8 sites are way down
2 are the same.
Even my name does not come up in the search for my websites.
Looking at my sales that have dropped by 50% so far today, it looks like an update. Whoops! I forgot... it's not an update. It just looks and acts like one. Kind of like my pomeranian is really not a pom, he's a siamese cat - he just looks like a pom.
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