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The same down-and-on problem here in Turkey.
But j3 goes on and off. No steady results. At least three different sets:
216.239.63.104 (I think with additional tweaks)
64.233.161.104 (still J2)
64.233.179.104 (J3)
I'm developing new sites and hoping I can get them ranking although my old site had been in the system for 7 years so I know it could take another 7 to get back.
Needless to say no linking will be leaving the new sites - just hope MSN & Y keep feeding me while I try to recover - happy Xmas G
are you saying G has a bug? like yourself I'm still looking for answers ;0(
Tigger - I still believe in my Canonical theory that causes the problem. (Could be hijack though)
But the root (no pun intended) of the problem is that Google has problems determining the root page for sites.
"Matt C mentioned that he may be looking for feedback on that DC this week"
That proofs that Jagger update went all wrong.
We dont know what the Jagger update was meant to achieve. All the test DC means is that there are still things to be worked on (I guess there always is though)
However, at Las Vegas Matt was reported as saying when asked about 301/302 redirect issues etc that they are working on a framework that indexes the destination and they are testing this on a DC.
and he was asked if this is what Jagger was about and he said "No - Jagger was about something else."
So on this test DC we should be looking for changes (hopefully improvements) on 301/302 handling.
Yesterday - more of my 301s from non-www to www were definetly picked up. (Yesterday, I may have jumped the gun and said less homepage canonical problems - when it could have just been more 301s picked up)
However, rankings for the site were still in the sewer - but it might be a very slow process to return to any sort of decent rankings once Google starts indexing the correct root page and BL/PR/Reputation power is correctly allocated etc.
[edited by: Dayo_UK at 10:04 am (utc) on Dec. 1, 2005]
That's got to be nonsense; they're are so many "money terms" - hundred's of thousands, if not millions. Do you really believe google researches all these and decides which sites should be top?!
Such accusations are surely just sour grapes?
So you want to know what is happening on that test-DC?
First off, Jagger update is over and we have already passed the flux. At present there is the famous traditional everflux and maybe some minor tweaking.
As GoogleGuy and Matt indicated indirectly, not all the goals of Jagger update have been achieved.
Therefore Test-DC [64.233.179.104...]
First they have updated its cache and brought it up-to-date.
Next step they are going to deploy either new algos or filters or both and ask for feedback. And there are some advantage in what Inigo and Co are doing ;-)
- Use our feedback to improve and tweak the results of the Test-DC.
- If satisfied, data of the TEST-DC shall migrate to the rest of DCs.
- That way Google doesn't need to "declare" a new update.
Hopefully we gonna see some fix for the canonicals and supplemetals issues.
Personally I think that the new cooperation between Google and webmasters/publishers to improve the index is very encouraging indeed. Google win... we win!
[edited by: reseller at 10:21 am (utc) on Dec. 1, 2005]
we can live and hope my friend, but for me I'm moving on with other projects as I really don't see my site recovering - just got to hope my new site can sneak under the sandbox
There are hundreds of terms within each of these areas you list. And, are you saying that "mortgage, endowment, digital camera, LCD TV, gifts, playstation, X-Box, Game Cube, flowers, car insurance... (I could go on and on and on)" are not money terms? Don't be daft!
Although I dont agree that serps are edited on money terms it is easy for Google to determine what keywords are related to money terms as they would just use Adwords data.
However, as I said I dont believe this is happening.
OK gents just to bring some fun to this depressing thread
On Radio one they have just spoken about some actor and did a Google search but couldn't find any photos other than some photos of monkeys LOL the presenter said maybe G was wasn't working properly :)
First they have updated its cache and brought it up-to-date
On contrary, they just aligned it with other DCs. 64.233.179.* is just another Jagger3 DC as of now. No new test results there.
There a loads of good looking nerds.
I met one yesterday, her measurements were
66.104.7.99
and you wouldn't believe how much my input output device was stimulated.
A bit of light humour for all of you.
you'll find her very changeable..you'll never who she truly is.....
Agree that it wouldn't be a problem to come up with a list of keywords. BUT, then they still have to decide which websites should be on page one. So, they have to pick the 10 "best" by some criteria, across hundreds and thousands of sectors. That's the time consuming bit; researching to find the ten and agreeing why they are "best"!
I would be more inclined to believe that they monitor what comes to the top using the algo and weed out any nonsense that's there by virtue of SEO alone. This would fit with Google's recent decision to hire people to check the serps.
Suggy.
I would be more inclined to believe that they monitor what comes to the top using the algo and weed out any nonsense that's there by virtue of SEO alone. This would fit with Google's recent decision to hire people to check the serps.
It's far more likely that they use such monitoring to find examples of good and bad pages for their automated systems, instead of weeding the pages out manually. (In fact, Google engineers have actually said that they sometimes leave spammy pages in place for testing of algorithms.)
You only need to look at certain web directories for proof...
Anyway, culturally and philosophically hand editing the index would be too much for Google to swallow. They'd choke on such a course of action, because that would mean admitting that their great big pointy heads are not as big and pointy as they've always believed!
if you notice you will see a big time company from the UK that offers cheap flights......Now what the H£$%l has to do a cheap flight with a cheap hotels.
you want more :
That company had 2 duplicate domanes about cheap accommodation a .com and a .co.uk
because of that duplication the accommodation branch of the big time uk company went to the dustbin
Google probably made an agreement because they pay big money on adwords but run adsense as well to include them at any most visited travel resorts from the cheap UK crowds.
No manual intervention there.
:-)
Has everyone forgot about eval.google.com?
>>reseller, my friend :-)
First they have updated its cache and brought it up-to-date<<
On contrary, they just aligned it with other DCs. 64.233.179.* is just another Jagger3 DC as of now. No new test results there.<<
Long time no post.. McMohan :-)
And that what I meant by brought it up-to-date; "aligned it with other DCs".
But it isn't Jagger what they want to test. As I wrote, something else would be deployed to the test-DC, and that what we would be asked to post feedback about.
