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Update Jagger - Part 2

         

Brett_Tabke

1:08 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Continued from
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Erku

12:58 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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so tomorow morning, Friday we hope to see some final stabilization?

Atomic

1:20 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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so tomorow morning, Friday we hope to see some final stabilization?

If there was a list of things we won't see Friday, I would start it with SERP stabilization.

spaceylacie

1:22 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I like what I'm seeing so far with Jagger Part 2. This weekend will complete the third part of the trilogy... then back to work on Monday, working upon what we've learned. I think G's new algos are headed in the right direction.

macdave

1:35 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I was getting 10-20 hits per second for sustained periods, that is extremely high isnt it? - Or should I quiz my hosts a bit more.
It's definitely high for a single bot, although it really shouldn't be enough to overwhelm a modern server. Of course, a database-intensive site may reach saturation sooner than static HTML. And if you're on shared hosting, consider that the bot may be simultaniously hitting a couple hundred other sites on the same server.

Yippee

1:40 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, see if your host is using e-Machines. Also, you might consider looking into how often you are hitting the DB per page request. We are averaging about 2 DB hits per page request and we seem to be holding up fine. However, our site is running on a 8 server farm.

rmccollom

2:10 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Do any of you guys actually work...at all?

Geez.

walkman

2:14 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)



>> Do any of you guys actually work...at all?
what are you talking about? Datacenter Watcher is the fastest rising segment in jobs these days ;)

aliszka

2:18 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>Do any of you guys actually work...at all?<<

we all like talking about broken search engines!

aliszka

2:20 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I must admit these results are getting a little better: 66.102.7.104

pteam

2:32 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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66.102.7.104 now looks like pre-jagger results *slightly* modified with 10% jaggerness :)

2by4

2:34 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Do any of you work [google.com]?

As you can see there's a lot of ways to look at that question. I like this one:

proceed towards a goal or along a path or through an activity; "work your way through every problem or task"; "She was working on her second martini when the guests arrived"; "Start from the bottom and work towards the top"

The martini is sounding pretty good to me, although there's something to be said for the Manhattan.

[edited by: 2by4 at 2:34 am (utc) on Nov. 4, 2005]

aliszka

2:34 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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From: Threadwatch:

I've had a bad case of "bloggers" block. Just have not been able to find anything exciting to write about lately. So I just decided, someone is bound to start spreading this rumor - might as well be me! Just got an email about WebmasterWorld from Brett Tabke. One of the updates Brett listed was: - "Google is holding a secretive luncheon on Wednesday. No details given to us. hmmm!?" So I go to register for the Google lunch and the Google page says...

Webmaster World Luncheon
Hosted by Google

Don't miss Google's presentation of an exciting new service that you can register for at the show! Lunch will be provided, so come early to get good seats and free schwag.

theBear

2:39 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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2by4 isn't it past our bedtimes?

Work what's work? I've already mangled a doubley mangled content management script.

Just add new knobs and sliders. I like cranking up the authority filter and cranking down the hub filter and I'd push a binary or two but the narcs might come after me ;-).

barretire

2:44 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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With everything going on in the DC's I thought we might here from GG by now.

2by4

2:53 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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theBear, re time

Who knows what time really is? Whatever time is, in the Orrery Sky pages we refer to local time (ie of the location from which one wants to observe the sky). In the other pages, we use US Central Standard Time (which is Universal Time (or Greenwich Mean Time) +6 hours).

Ok, time to go, work may or may not be involved, as may or may not the proper time for such actions.

rmccollom

3:04 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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OK, whatever.

But smeriously, you guys need to get some sleep. Nothing happening for now.

BillyS

3:06 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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you guys need to get some sleep

I think I remember sleeping some time last year...

rmccollom

3:07 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yup, kind of, except it may have been two years ago.

AlexK

3:13 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK:
Mozilla Googlebot has bought my database down :(

Two things:
  1. This is what Google is like re: Mozilla-Bot [webmasterworld.com]
  2. Here is how to control unruly bots [webmasterworld.com]

sailorjwd

3:17 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Goodnight.

Wake me if something happens.

Yippee

3:28 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> Nothing happening for now. <<

Oh really? I think we are all shocked and awed. Seems like we are all hopeful in getting our lives back. Who can sleep now?

[edited by: Yippee at 3:38 am (utc) on Nov. 4, 2005]

rmccollom

3:37 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Who can sleep now?

Me, I hope. Been through the getting slammed into PR0 hell several years ago.

Nothing new, just sucks when it's close to the holidays.

Goodnight crazy people with nothing else to do. See ya when something really happens and hopefully, I'm not one that's crying!

JoeHouse

3:44 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What's all this talk about Jagger 1,2,3?

Been in the box for 10 months and it appears nothing can affect my site because I am no where to be found in google.

No changes at all for me.

Except of course adwords.

2by4

3:52 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Goodnight crazy people with nothing else to do."

Finally, somebody recognizes the problem... but it's too late now. One day we'll look back on all this and ask ourselves why on earth we wasted a few of our limited days like this.

steveb

3:52 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Previously said a lost site was mostly back on 66.102.7.104

Now it appears when I said some foreign language and other pages were not back it seems what is not back are some /directories/ on the site. The other stuff in the directory where the non-English stuff is is also not back, so it seems the language part doesn't matter, one or two directories continue to not be back... which of course is yet another "that is weird" thing.

aeiouy

4:28 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am definately seeing florida results on dcs:

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I am seeing bourbon results on dcs:

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I am seeing jagger 1 results on dcs:

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I am seeing jagger 2 results on dcs:

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and I am seeing future unanmed results from the year 2011 on dcs:

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walkman

5:03 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)



>> and I am seeing future unanmed results from the year 2011 on dcs:

are the link exchanges dead or what? ;)

LegalAlien

5:10 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hello everyone!

I've been following these forums for a year or two, but haven't registered before. As someone else pointed out way back in this thread, if you're unaffected, then you don't really have anything to say. Well, this is the first G update in 6 years that hit me - down to 400+ from top 20 listings on all key phrases I monitor and zero G traffic - so I guess it's time to join the ranks.

There seems to be a lot of excitement about 66.102.7.99, 66.102.7.104 and that group, but I'm pretty sure these are pre-Jagger results; but with allowances for current data. We are back in all previous positions for all keywords on these IPs, and all other sites appear as before; including other good (and clean) sites that were hit. None of the other groups of IPs show this behavior.

Just my 5c worth: We were so badly hit here, that I have spent the past two weeks really going through our site. Totally white hat, blah, blah. Anyway, the only two factors that seem to be constant are:

About 70% of pages that link to us have dropped PR. Although this wasn't enough to knock back our toolbar PR, our G directory PR has dropped. There does seem to be a magic PR threshold in the upper-fives/lower-sixes, where sites suddenly start to appear in the top 5 pages after having been nowhere, so perhaps this PR change in backlinks was enough to push many of us beyond this threshold?

In the areas I monitor, sites that remained totally unaffected generally had a low text to image ratio (more images than text) on their main index page. Although many such sites are stuffed with keywords (html comments, alts body, footer, etc) they kept their positions regardless.

On a lighter note, I would like to say a big thank you to reseller, theBear, 2by4 and many others. You guys have made me laugh a lot during this really scary period, which it quite an achievement.

Good luck to everyone for Friday!

2by4

5:23 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"About 70% of pages that link to us have dropped PR. Although this wasn't enough to knock back our toolbar PR, our G directory PR has dropped. There does seem to be a magic PR threshold in the upper-fives/lower-sixes, where sites suddenly start to appear in the top 5 pages after having been nowhere, so perhaps this PR change in backlinks was enough to push many of us beyond this threshold?"

Yes, that's the first thing we saw too, pre jagger though, before the bigger drops, some early tweaks. That hasn't changed a great deal though I haven't checked the sites that are currently ranking because it's getting boring, I'm waiting until the last phase is rolled out.

Sites that have remained unaffected have very high trust rank, even though some like to debate about its existence so maybe I shouldn't use that term? Whatever you want to call it, they have a lot of that. No drop.

giga

5:32 am on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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216.239.53.99 what is going on with that datacenter? Too many threads to read through. I just noticed ouru previously sandboxed site came back strong in that datacenter. Are these the new future results or just some random flux datacenter? Anyone else noticing DRAMATIC changes on this ip?

*update
also noticing the same results on these datacenters...
64.233.189.104
-gv: 216.239.53.99
-in: 216.239.57.99
-mc: 66.102.7.99
-ab: 216.239.63.104
-in: 216.239.53.104
-mc: 66.102.7.104
www2: 216.239.57.104
-ab: 216.239.57.98
-cw: 216.239.57.105
-mc: 66.102.7.105
-ab: 216.239.57.147
-mc: 66.102.7.147

looking REAL good... finally...

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