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I agree, and I find it surprising that some people are not being more sympathetic to those of us who are still out in the cold. Saying J3 is here (against all the advice) doesn't help, it just adds to the worry.
Is this intense spidering an attempt to clean up the Supplemental index? MC indicated that Jagger 3 will address canonicalization and supplemental index issues. Those are the kinds of things that would require such a large-scale crawl to fix effectively. It wouldn't surprise me to see Jagger 3 debut a shiney new index, with new/improved data affecting SERPs more than any specific algo tweaks.
<added>Yesterday "normal" Googlebot activity on our site dropped to around 10% of usual, and has stayed there during this Mozillabot crawl. Is Jagger 3 the debut of Mozillabot as the primary Google spider after a year +/- of testing?</added>
[edited by: macdave at 8:37 pm (utc) on Nov. 3, 2005]
66.102.7.99 is definitly not pre Jagger
snore.
66.102.7.99 is pre-jagger.
Nope, nada, no way.
Neo: You could say that.
Morpheus: I can see it in your eyes. You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees because he's expecting to wake up. Ironically, this is not far from the truth. Do you believe in fate, Neo?
Neo: No.
Morpheus: Why not?
Neo: 'Cause I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my life.
Morpheus: I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know, you can't explain. But you feel it. You felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there. Like a splinter in your mind -- driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Neo: The Matrix?
Morpheus: Do you want to know what it is?
(Neo nods his head.)
Morpheus: The Matrix is everywhere, it is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, or when go to church or when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. (long pause, sighs) Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself. This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back.
(In his left hand, Morpheus shows a blue pill.)
Morpheus: You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. (a red pill is shown in his other hand) You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. (Long pause; Neo begins to reach for the red pill) Remember -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more.
(Neo takes the red pill and swallows it with a glass of water)
I think NEO was an idiot... He could have been taking X for cryin out loud!
[edited by: Yippee at 8:57 pm (utc) on Nov. 3, 2005]
Just to follow up, I'd like to say that the misbehaving website was removed, that was pretty fast great work!
However the "SEO company" (the real responsible) keeps on spreading their spam and cheats, I think that this one is the one to target because they convince their customers, not very knowledgeable, that it is ok to hide text, build cloaking pages etc...
I just submitted some more spam from them, on more competitive terms.
I suppose that it's going to take some time considering the HUGE amount of cheats only from that company across all industries and all continents, it feels a little like they are playing Google isn't it? With their URL embedded in their cloaking pages :)
Good investigation!
I think my site could handle that - but 20 a second for a sustain period.
[edited by: Yippee at 9:05 pm (utc) on Nov. 3, 2005]
20 hit per second for a sustain period works out at 72,000 page requests an hour.
When my site was doing well I only recieved say 500 visitors an hour.
some would say that people cut and pasting TOTALLY unrelated comments on a Google update thread are...well you get the point :)
I have yet to call you or anyone else names, let's maintain the peace please ;)
[edited by: Yippee at 9:13 pm (utc) on Nov. 3, 2005]
Paul, the objective of Jagger is to improve our index results. The three stages are actually three independent launches.
urdudesamy, there are some Jagger1-related changes going on at 66.102.7.104."
[edited by: thecaptainandcookie at 9:15 pm (utc) on Nov. 3, 2005]
Even with this change it is unlikely to be able to survive that type of crawling (IMO)
Re MC Blog post - intresting so 66.102.7.104. is becoming Jagger1 - (what was it before?)
>> Stephen, I don’t think we support crawl-delay in robots.txt.
I know - lol ;)
Please help!
I was reading through all your comments during the last weeks, but did not find the answer for my problem.
I have a "new" site that got Pagerank during Jagger1 except my homepage that has a pagrank of 0. All other pages and subpages have a PR form 4-6.
I was hoping that during Jagger2 it will change, but nothing has happened.
Any ideas about or solution for that?
Thanks for any comments indeed.
The sites that I have had problems with especially look encouraging on allinanchors - eg some Homepages ranking :)
Got me thinking, what if these are three separate updates that will yield 3 unique resulting SERPS and the flux after Jagger3 is stable will be the merging of the 3 sets of results?
So jagger2 would not in fact be built on top of jagger1 but in isolation as would jagger3.
Just a passing thought, I was assuming that jagger2 was an extention of jagger1.
I have yet to call you or anyone else names, let's maintain the peace please ;) <<<<
I honestly found that nonrelevant post quite amusing ;P...It kinda felt good reading something that excluded an IP adress within it's content....but for the purposes of this thread...I would have to say I understand Walkman's viewpoint.
...there should of been a google related punch at the end at least!
FlowerUK, this is quite common I think for new websites that built incoming links right before an update.
Your pagerank will be consistent throughout your site starting form the next PR update IMO. So you will have to wait 3-4 months.
No big deal, already seen that in the past, can't explain it though, but so far it would never prevent you from having great rankings in the future.
How long ago did ou launch the site - or was indexed by G?
It looks like with Jagger that its only including sites older than 3 months.
Hi Folks!
Those of you who do art painting know this feeling for sure: you don't wish to show anybody your work until you have finished. Reasons mightbe that people tend to judge your work too early without even knowing how the final painting will look like.
Thats exactly how GoogleGuy and Matt Cutts feel at present. They just don't wish us to see the stegs of "creating" Jagger3, but wish us to wait and see the final Jagger3 in action.
It was/is therefore our good kind friends GoogleGuy and Matt keep telling us that Jagger3 will not be visible before Friday or during the weekend. Fair enough, I do understand and appreciate keeping in mind that we as webmasters are known for being very impatient people.
Having said that, nothing chage the fact that we have noticed today the start of Jagger3 or the first sub-stages of Jagger3 on one or more of the DCs I mentioned in previous posts;
216.239.53.99
216.239.57.99
66.102.7.99
To make things very clear and very simple, I'm just asking our good friends GoogleGuy or/and Matt Cutts to post few words to the effect that we are wrong and the serps of the said DCs aren't related to Jagger3 at all.
And for that I say a BIG THANK YOU in advance to GG & Matt.
[edited by: reseller at 9:49 pm (utc) on Nov. 3, 2005]
If J3 is basically a re-indexing couldn't Google then pick the best aspects of J1 & J2 and throw them into that new index and push it out the door?
