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Update Jagger - Part 2

         

Brett_Tabke

1:08 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Continued from
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Yippee

8:53 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> Presumably the J2 (66.102.11.99 and the like) have tweaked something in regards to back-links and perhaps google-bombing.

As most know, if you typed FAILURE in G you got the bio of GWB. On the J2 DC's this seems to be corrected.

Just a thought that J2 might center around back-link quality, relevance etc... <<

Agree 100%... Again, if you are weak on links, you shouldn't be spending too much time in here looking at DCs and praying. Instead, you should be out there shaking down sites for links.

[edited by: Yippee at 8:55 pm (utc) on Nov. 4, 2005]

steveb

8:53 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Then why were the updates not started simultaneously from the beginning?"

You can see why now. They are doing all sorts of mix and matching. Obviously you couldn't do that if you just dumped one completed thing on top of another completed thing.

petehall

8:55 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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steveb... please help me my brain is about to melt... :-/

Dayo_UK

8:55 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)



Steve - do you see it though.

Logic order - Homepage followed by Cached pages - supplementals at the bottom ;)

petehall

8:56 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This ordering I am talking about - is really only consistent on 66.102.9.104 & 66.102.11.104 at the moment (so not all Jagger2s)

I'm liking these IPs. Not as much as my red wine though...

Phil_AM

8:56 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just a thought, would G ever use two different sets of SERPS and rotate them through the DC's? Perhaps both are relevant and each tend to a different type of searcher.

Why else would G do 2 updates (let alone 3) back-to-back that are supposed to be mutually exclusive.

In essence, why rearrange your furniture one way to create more light in the room, then the next day rearrange the furniture to allow better airflow and have both rearrangements be completely separate of each other. It would only make sense if you planned on having two separate rooms.

From Matt's blog:

"Paul, the objective of Jagger is to improve our index results. The three stages are actually three independent launches."

- Just trying to think outside the box...

Atomic

8:56 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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66.102.11.104

Wow. That one is hot and really, really likes every one of my sites. Almost anything I search for has me at or near #1. And traffic has been so great today I lowered all my AdWords bids to almost nothing. I hope this continues and doesn't turn out to be a tease.

zikos

9:09 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)



66.102.9.104
66.102.11.104
I think so too

macdave

9:12 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK

I noticed the same changes earlier on 66.102.9.99. Our non-www homepage has finally disappeared on that DC and the others you mentioned, but [site:mysite.com] is still returning the same random order as other DCs. (While a few other sites I looked at do have their homepages first on the DCs mentioned and not on others.) Not sure what the practical ramifications are, but it's nice to see that Google can maybe sort out what pages are most important within a single site.

JuniorOptimizer

9:12 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Analyzing Cutt's terse statements is quite a tough job.

He's not the Jagger of Search, he's more like the Greenspan of Search :)

Dayo_UK

9:14 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)



>> but it's nice to see that Google can maybe sort out what pages are most important within a single site.

Which is the root of the Canonical url problem :)

soapystar

9:18 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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woweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.......im number one for everything i search for......gooooooo google you rock.........yeah....your da Man googleguy!...GG your the best.......number 1 with a bullet for LARGE GREEN SMALL BLUE WIDGETS WITH GREEN SPOTS! been targetting that for a year now im at number one....i am the SEO of the year!

Dayo_UK

9:19 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)



soapystar

Where? Which Dcs?

minicoopers

9:21 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)



>> but it's nice to see that Google can maybe sort out what pages are most important within a single site.

Which is the root of the Canonical url problem :)

===

Can it? Google can do that? If Google can do that, I would suggest that Google did. Do that, I mean...

Google isn't doing that. Google isn't doing that at all.

Maybe Google will do that, one day...

But not yet - I see that Google isn't doing it yet...

fatpeter

9:43 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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think soapystars got his tongue firmly lodged in his cheek lol

Patrick Taylor

9:45 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Could someone please clarify exactly what signifies Google having corrected the canonical URL problem? I understand the basic issue of not wanting both www and non-www URLs to be indexed, but are we expecting a search for 'site:domain.com -www' to return no results when the fix is in place? (or vice versa)

macdave

9:46 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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But not yet - I see that Google isn't doing it yet

Hence the "maybe" qualifier. It's definitely not all the way there yet, but we're seeing small steps in the right direction.

Powdork

9:47 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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On 66.102.11.99 (and similar) I have all regular listings. All the other result sets have the familiar old url listings.
Here is a quik take on my view.

Jagger 1- The index (or datacenters) had to be updated to allow for the large amount of new data.
Jagger 2- The new data is added in. (Thus the full listings are back.) These pages have no power at this point so they won't show in results.
Jagger 3- The algorythm (or a new one) is then reapplied to the index without the power of the links from supplemental pages, and with the power of the 'released from canonical issues' pages.

reseller

9:49 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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soapystar

>>i am the SEO of the year!<<

And you are hereby declared the SEO of the year 2005 :-)

Ok. Now you tell us where do you see those results?

cristinita

9:52 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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this the 3rd time...no-one pays attention...but huge changes in 66.102.11.99 are happening as of now...and not only in the allinanchor command...now it's spreading to the regular searches...

soapystar

9:55 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ok. Now you tell us where do you see those results?

ok..was checking 127.0.0.1

the results were so incredible it was like searching my own computer!

300m

9:57 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"ok..was checking 127.0.0.1

the results were so incredible it was like searching my own computer!"

hehe

thanks i need to laugh sometimes.

reseller

9:57 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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soapystar

>>Ok. Now you tell us where do you see those results?

ok..was checking 127.0.0.1 <<

LOL..

And I hereby withdraw my declaration that you are the SEO of year 2005 :-)

discrete298

10:01 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This reminds me a t-shirt I saw saying "There is no place like 127.0.0.1"

giga

10:04 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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66.102.11.99 terrible listings, and I'm no where to be seen on this DC. I hope this is not what you guys are suggesting of things to come...

cristinita

10:06 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Reseller,

are u there? are u checking 66.102.11.99? can this be the real J3?

giga

10:07 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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66.102.11.99 Looks exactly the same to me as pre jagger results, at least in my niche industry, definatly no major changes on that DC.

reseller

10:08 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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giga

>>66.102.11.99 terrible listings, and I'm no where to be seen on this DC. I hope this is not what you guys are suggesting of things to come... <<

You just need to close your eyes and imagine that the following DCs donīt exist :-)

66.102.9.99

66.102.9.104

66.102.11.99

66.102.11.104

Now you feel better, right? :-)

giga

10:09 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If i do that life seems good again! Hey thanks for the suggestion, i feel better already :) Really hoping to avoid those DC's and keeping my fingers crossed.

g1smd

10:12 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> can this be the real J3? <<

Look. J3 hasn't even started; and when it does it is going to continue until at least about November 12th to 15th, I would think...

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