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[edited by: TammyJo at 7:37 pm (utc) on Nov. 4, 2005]
There are no "pre-Jagger" results.
The datacenters in the 66.102.7.99 group are Jagger1 with a twist added yesterday.
The bulk of the datacenters show Jagger2.
Jagger1 and Jagger two are separate things. Jagger2 is not built on top of Jagger1.
Jagger3 will happen, probably, in the next 72 hours.
I believe Jagger3 was delayed because of the twist added to the Jagger1 results, which was clearly a very positive addition; and because of that batch of horrible results that appeared and was removed earlier this week, which was clearly a halfbaked thing that never propogated.
All datacenters are cooking, but not done.
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The 66.102.7.99 fix yesterday more or less fixed a site of mine's Sept 22 problems, except for anything in two specific directories... the pages of which show at the very end of an allinurl:example.com site:example.com search. If you have less than 1000 pages perhaps you can observe this phenomenon with any partially healed domain.
Seems you are correct,
I had an redirection doing allinurl as result number 3, on 66.102.7.99 it is gone, however I canīt see the end, google only allows about 320 and I have 370
I posted this earlier and no one replied. All of these datacenters are likely showing jagger 3 results or some brief glimspe of them. Our site was entirely non-existant prior to a few days ago, it suddently popped up in all of the below DCs. We are back on radar and looking strong. Anyone else confirm these centers? BTW according to Googleguys own posts none of the centers he listed for Jagger 1 or 2 are included in this list (I think**... I just came into this discussion very late in the game) :)
64.233.189.104
-gv: 216.239.53.99
-in: 216.239.57.99
-mc: 66.102.7.99
-ab: 216.239.63.104
-in: 216.239.53.104
-mc: 66.102.7.104 JAGGER 1 RESULTS (UPDATE)
www2: 216.239.57.104
-ab: 216.239.57.98
-cw: 216.239.57.105
-mc: 66.102.7.105
-ab: 216.239.57.147
-mc: 66.102.7.147
I believe most of those are Jagger 1 with "the twist" from yesterday morning. But who the heck really knows at this point.
I'm guessing Monday we'll start to see some stability, but as far as what going on right now, Jagger 2 and the Jagger 1 w/ "the twist" show pretty different results. That's if these DC's are Jagger 1 and 2 and J3 has not showed up yet.
All I know is that one of the two updates (J1 or J2) seems to have fixed a glitch that wiped out some of the 9/22 casualties.
My horses are dead in the pasture.
[edited by: greenfrog at 8:06 pm (utc) on Nov. 4, 2005]
The intresting thing about my Canonical problems is that Jagger2 is a lot better in some respects eg: site:www.domain.com www.domain.com - homepage comes first on some sites - while on the Jagger1s (66.102.7.99) some of the homepages actually rank for the name.
So both sets show encouraging signs as far as Canonical problems are concerned - and that is not even supposed to be addressed until Jagger3 :)
So it does really seem that Google are serious about a fix.
Got a little way to go, and as I have said before I need a crawl (from normal Googlebot ;)) - before I can really say my sites are back.
But encouraging so far.
The results I get with my keywords appear as though they are pre Jagger? Anyone else notice this?
I so hope this temporary.
Is supplemental a kiss of death for the page or can it be reversed?
Are others seeing Jagger changing their supplemental listings?
Site search on Webmasterworld on 66.102.11.104:-
[66.102.11.104...]
Brett - you might want to add your 301 back from non www to www BTW
Notice that it is very logically ordered - eg Homepage followed by direct links from homepage (eg forum indexes)
Compared to this:-
[66.102.7.104...]
Pages not really in an order (which I understand)
Now the 66.102.7.104 is giving me better results on some searches as I say - so this has got something about it too, however my main site is still not fixed - but encouraged :)
[edited by: Dayo_UK at 8:31 pm (utc) on Nov. 4, 2005]
One of the domains I work on have a supplemental listing because apparentley at some point there was a virtual directory grabbing pages with no extension for multiple domains.
example
domain.com/keyword
Notice how there is not any file extension?
I do not know a lot about virtual directories, but for some reason out of all of the site command links listed in google for that domain, that is what is listed as supplemental.
Do i need to be concerned with this?
If yes, what should I do?
Because, I really, truly do not see the need to examine the 1st blush of J3 results. It's obviously going to perculate for quite some time. Ranking will shift for hours, perhaps days after release.
Anyway ...
I see my supplementals nearly gone one minute and all back the next. It is driving me nuts.
They are all in my robots.txt file (for about 30 days) and now I have added links to them from my home page to attempt to get G to do something about them.
Additionally, some jagger2 DCs are showing my home page now but it is showing the wrong one (non-www). I have no links to non-www and it's cache is an older date than the www version.
I am losing hope with this update.
It is very rare to be able to reverse it. The page may show as a normal result for the new page content, but will carry on for ever more still showing as a supplemental result when you search for the old page content. The snippet will show the old page content when you search for that old content too.
The cache will show the modern content when you search for content currently on the page, but when searching for old content the state of the cache seems to be random.
For some old results, you are presented with a cache copy from 18 months ago, while for other old searches (although the snippet shows ancient content) you are presented with the moden cache from just a few days ago, a cache of content that does not reflect what you searched for nor what is shown in the snippet.
See also: [webmasterworld.com...]
[edited by: g1smd at 8:41 pm (utc) on Nov. 4, 2005]
This ordering I am talking about - is really only consistent on 66.102.9.104 & 66.102.11.104 at the moment (so not all Jagger2s)
As most know, if you typed FAILURE in G you got the bio of GWB. On the J2 DC's this seems to be corrected.
Just a thought that J2 might center around back-link quality, relevance etc...
Jagger1 and Jagger two are separate things. Jagger2 is not built on top of Jagger1.
Then why were the updates not started simultaneously from the beginning?
If one doesn't rely on the other there would have been no problems in doing so.
A twist of lemon bar tender?
Then why were the updates not started simultaneously from the beginning?If one doesn't rely on the other there would have been no problems in doing so.
A twist of lemon bar tender?
Probably because it is easier to track and deal with problems and issues if they are implemented at different times.
I have read a lot of your posts,very informative.
I hope you are right.
Just looking through my sites and a site:www.domain.com is very very very different on these two domains. (Just like WebmasterWorld)
