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Update Jagger - Part 2

         

Brett_Tabke

1:08 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Continued from
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patc

11:32 am on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Spacey - MC just answered your question in his blog comments:

J3 has less to do with spam and more to do with general indexing. It’s hard for me to estimate how it might affect your site without knowing any specifics...
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Sounds scary to me!

petehall

11:33 am on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Seriously though, the correct place to report specifics is using the keyword jagger2 (we're still in part 2) on the spam report form at [google.com...]

Put Jagger2 in the additional notes box?

What if there are notes to add too?

Dayo_UK

11:34 am on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)



Lol - great minds read Matts blog and post alike ;)

spaceylacie

11:35 am on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Oh, thanks, I checked his blog earlier and didn't see that.

*SIGH* I guess I'll be getting some work done today after all.

Dayo_UK

11:36 am on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)



>>>Sounds scary to me!

Sounds exciting to me :)

petehall

11:41 am on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>Sounds scary to me!
Sounds exciting to me :)

I now think the results everyone was complaining about on a small number of data centres was a preview of this new "ranking" :)

Oh dear.. if I'm right there's going to be a few unhappy webmasters in the world.

[edited by: petehall at 11:43 am (utc) on Nov. 3, 2005]

blaggard

11:42 am on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Personally I am glad to see the outing of blatant spam sites here, even against TOS in this case and good to see GG taking obvious interest.

66.102.11.99 not sure I want those results but can live with them :)

AlexK

11:43 am on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I want to know how on earth a page which mentions a keyword ONCE at the top of a page gets to the #2 position in the SERPs (every single DC), yet has nothing to do with the keyword.

That is good search?

Dayo_UK

11:46 am on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)



AlexK

Not a very competive term and only very very few in an allintitle:keyword search - even less if you exclude supplementals. Title is still important in G. (and it is on a root page I guess)

petehall

11:58 am on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I know for a fact those results were being used in the UK... I wonder if they were testing their impact or something.

Does anyone else think the removal of these results and then the sudden collapse of DC's is interesting? I think they may have been Jagger3, dispite information supplied.

Curiouser and curiouser!

Time will tell!

istar

12:04 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)



OK guys i won't post any more URLS ,as abought Jagger3 we should expect it late friday night ,the rest is for magicians fortune tellers mediums.

patc

12:05 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My hypothesis (cue more "oh no not more speculation") is that if J3 is a huge fundamental change to the SERPS, why not combine it with the other changes? I would guess there isn't any more actual algo changes to be made.

I know I said it sounds scary but then realised 'indexing' is the key word here - once I calmed down and remembered Dayo's infamous canonical ranting (where did you get to, 91 more times? Can't remember!) I thought Matt may just be talking about that, and supplimentals... which shouldn't harm the SERPs a huge amount in terms of algo changes, and should help people who've previously lost out for things out of their control.

I hope.

Thank the Lord that I organised a weekend away (it was to be celebratory or commiseratory) so at least I can go in blind ignorance either way!

JuniorOptimizer

12:24 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hold on to your hats! Jagger 3 is coming and it won't be pretty.

reseller

12:26 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hmmm. I see that GG has been here while I was away of my PC.

Now why hasn´t he posted any comments regarding the 3 DCs (Jagger3 Front Troops) I have posted this morning ;-)

JuniorOptimizer

12:27 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Maybe he ignored you because he had to go to work. It was 4:20am when the poor guy went to bed!

sailorjwd

12:28 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Side Issue

Spam reporting:

Would you report a page that has 3 long duplicate comment tags stuffed with keywords?

Or only if they were above you in the rankings :)

istar

12:32 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)



GoogleGuy
thanks.

reseller

12:32 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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JuniorOptimizer

>>Maybe he ignored you because he had to go to work. It was 4:20am when the poor guy went to bed! <<

Or maybe because I´m right on target :-)

And here what I wrote today on msg #:401:

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I really think that if you can make it on these 3 Dcs today, you can make it on Jagger3 on Friday.

First they shall push Jagger3 on all 3 Dcs or one of them to start with, then tweak..tweak..tweak, and once they like what they see... then they will tell us to look at Jagger3 there!

216.239.53.99
216.239.57.99
66.102.7.99

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JuniorOptimizer

12:35 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Reseller, I hope you're right (usually you are).

Because on those datacenters: the horses are in the barn.

spaceylacie

12:46 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I wanted to know if the DCs I pegged are the correct ones.
64.233.161.104
66.102.11.99

Although, if Reseller is right, it'll actually be better for me personally.

Dayo_UK

12:50 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)



>> infamous canonical ranting

Lol.

I think I got to 90 odd - gave up, got bored - WebmasterWorld should have dynamic signature service :)

Well hopefully that issue will be fixed, and supplementals - but GG mentioned that Jagger3 will be the new base going forward (someone mentioned early maybe for the next 3 months - I would suggest a lot lot longer than that)

lee_sufc

12:50 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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reseller - i hope you're right too - if they are it will make me very happy....lol

petehall

12:51 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's not the 3 DC's above in my opinion.

Things look good for me there... but I don't think that's them at all!

But then what would I know :)

reseller

12:55 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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JuniorOptimizer

>>Reseller, I hope you're right (usually you are).
Because on those datacenters: the horses are in the barn.<<

Thanks!

And allow me to elaborate more about why I think I'm right on target, and its GG for his own reasons is holding back ;-)

1 - Both GG and Matt have posted previously that Wednesday 2nd Nov. is the day of Jagger3.

2 - Matt posted yesterday Wednesday 2nd Nov.:
"P.S. I’m off to bed, but Jagger3 is coming along. I don’t know if it will be visible later today or not, but I’ll keep you posted when I know more."

3 - Already on 26th Oct. Matt posted:
"In this instance, Jagger1 was the sort of thing that we could launch at all data centers quickly, but Jagger2 and Jagger3 require switching over each data center individually."

And that what exactly happened this morning!

4 - This morning many of us have noticed the following DCs off and then on. And I posted in my today msg #:374
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Reseller report for duty in WebmasterWorld forum 30 :-)

Can any of you guys access the following DCs at the moment? Maybe its here where we should expect Jagger3

216.239.53.99
216.239.57.99
66.102.7.99

Thanks!

GoooooooooooooooooooogleGuy!

A weather report please :-)

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Therefore! :-)

kaled

12:59 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My god, something's going on. I've just gained three #1 positions and a #2. The #2 was previously nowhere (and never was anywhere) the others were typically first page but one had recently dropped to second page.

I'll be a happy bunny if this sticks but somehow I doubt it will.

Kaled.

taps

1:02 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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As far as I remember GooglyGuy was talking about new binaries the other day.

Maybe they just have installed those binaries last night. And maybe thes binaries are going to start jagger 3 tomorrow.

One thing that does not fit into my theory: Why was Adsense offline too?

anttiv

1:03 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Those 3 DCs do not show Dagger 3 yet but there are some changes due to some websites being filtered/unfiltered. At least in my case.

Google has taken a new method with spam. They used to remove the domain from the index but now they just put a filter on the url so that the rankings drop ~10 pages and the webmaster is left guessing what has happened.

Why not contact the webmaster directly? It shouldn't take more work than checking sites manually and entering the url to your magic list. Besides, most of the spam reports are made by competitors and the "spam" being a "too large banner in the center of the page" etc.

thebug151

1:03 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I hope you are correct Reseller. You have given me the first hope since September 21.

reseller

1:06 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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kaled

>>I'll be a happy bunny if this sticks but somehow I doubt it will. <<

It will, but there will probably be some tweaking between now and when GG or Matt announce Jaffer3 on Friday.

lee_sufc

1:11 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If the results on these three stick:

216.239.53.99
216.239.57.99
66.102.7.99

...I will buy everyone here a Christmas present.

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