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Update Jagger - Part 2

         

Brett_Tabke

1:08 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Continued from
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FlowerUK

9:47 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Folowgreg and stevexyz,

My site was first indexed by google in February, but real content was loaded only in early June.

I have some regional and directory links pointing to the site that was started only in September.

aeiouy

9:48 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have to admit I fell over laughing after watching all the speculation here of where people keep seeing Jagger 3... Yet Matt Cutts just said that Jagger 2 is not even fully propogated yet.

I don't know why I find it so funny.. But I do. Although this should reinforce the idea that this are distinct and non-related changes for those who seem to believe otherwise.

We will likely see some of Jagger 3 on some dc's before Jagger 2 has gotten to all of them.

Atomic

9:50 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Not liking this Canonical Killer nick since that is ironically waaaay to close to my real name.

BradStevens

9:51 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>MATT CUTTS: Multiple data centers are now showing Jagger2, but I don’t think every data center is.<<<

>>RESELLER: Having said that, nothing chage the fact that we have noticed today the start of Jagger3<<<

Oy vey! Hang in there, Reseller, it'll all be ok. Avoid the bottle of little pink pills!

followgreg

9:52 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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FlowerUK >> IMO, you can relax then, this is happening quite often as I said :) No problem at all for the future. Good luck!

webdude

9:55 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Matt Said,
November 3, 2005 @ 1:39 pm

Let’s see. Multiple data centers are now showing Jagger2, but I don’t think every data center is. I believe Jagger2 is at the cluster of data centers that includes 66.102.9.104. Stephen, I don’t think we support crawl-delay in robots.txt. But you might check out sitemaps–it might allow you more control.

Paul, the objective of Jagger is to improve our index results. The three stages are actually three independent launches.

urdudesamy, there are some Jagger1-related changes going on at 66.102.7.104.

StriderUK

9:56 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>MATT CUTTS: Multiple data centers are now showing Jagger2, but I don’t think every data center is.<<<
>>RESELLER: Having said that, nothing chage the fact that we have noticed today the start of Jagger3<<<

Reseller, you make me laugh... you really do! Thanks!

FlowerUK

9:57 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks followgreg again.

I relax and wait for google as usual...:)

spaceylacie

10:12 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Matt: "I believe Jagger2 is at the cluster of data centers that includes 66.102.9.104."

Ahhhh, the DC I mentioned, 66.102.11.99, is showing the same results as above mention by MC. At least I sort of got the real Jagger 2 pegged. Everything will move from there. I still think I know the direction this is headed.

reseller

10:12 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Jagger1..Jagger2..Jagger3 ...What are they about?

Hi Folks

Just for the benifit of our new kind fellow members.

Jagger Update, which was announced officially on 18 October 2005, but which might have started already on 22nd September 2005, is divided to 3 individual separate stages:

- Jagger1 (PR & Backlinks update)

- Jagger2 (dealing with spam issues)

- Jagger3 (dealing with index issues including canonicals and maybe supplementals issues)

In Matt's own words:
"Jagger1, Jagger2, and Jagger3 are mostly independent changes, but they�re occurring closely enough in time (plus they interact to some degree) that it�s clearer just to act as if they were one update for feedback purposes."

Which means, IMO, that Jagger3, in order to start, it doesn't need to wait for Jagger1 or Jagger2 to spread to all the DCs.

I hope this helps.

Eazygoin

10:17 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Theres an interesting article on Bill Gates and Google on ..uhmmm...won't let me put the url!

soapystar

10:31 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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you got jagger 1 totally wrong......

try again!

aliszka

10:34 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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M_N will destroy G__gle! IMO!

aliszka

10:35 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I see G__gle still remains broken today! IMO!

Dayo_UK

10:36 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)



__ is ___ to come th___ :_

astro_miner

10:37 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Actually, I do hope that msn will increase its relevancy and market share. If the distribution was 1/3 for Y, MSN & G each, I would feel a lot more secure.

Though I don't particularily like MS...

And G is just too good.

macdave

10:39 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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And then it stopped.

Mozillabot's crawling on our site came to a screeching halt about 45 minutes ago. From 4 hits a second to nothing. Hmm. Dayo_UK, what are you seeing?

Anybody else get a lot of love from this bot today? Have your sites been experiencing canonicalization or supplemental problems?

Paws

10:43 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

we had about 90 minutes of a page per second or more today.

No canonicalization problems, fair few supplemental I think.

Paws

Dayo_UK

10:45 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)



macdave

I think Mozilla Googlebot gave up when it kept recieving Can not connect to Database pages.

I was getting 10-20 hits per second for sustained periods, that is extremely high isnt it? - Or should I quiz my hosts a bit more.

greenfrog

10:45 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Is it just me, as a programmer, who finds it very sloppy how google handles its rollouts.

Can you imagine if Microsoft, Oracle, Sun, or any other software giants released a product that was so poorly finished. I find it truely shocking that Google would release such horrible results into just one Datacenter, and more critically, roll out these unfinished Jagger's to all datacenters.

It is just my opinion that these pre-Jagger3 results are horrible. But it seems as if Google's representives in GG and Matt "Like a Knife" Cutts, state that we are in part 2 of a multi-phase rollout of a new index.

I understand that the index is in constant flux, but after all of this time, don't you think they'd learn to test the results? The concept of a beta is not a new concept. Please forward this url to someone important at google....Learn about Beta Testing [en.wikipedia.org]

Rolling out a half cooked pizza never tastes good. This is the type of thing a tiny, no-budget developer does, because its all that can be done.

Truely Shocking

I think that Google may want to buy MSN's index/results, just until Google can work out the kinks. IMHO

[edited by: greenfrog at 10:57 pm (utc) on Nov. 3, 2005]

Yippee

10:51 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Man, when G unleashes these bots, they sure mean business. I almost banned that mozilla bot, except the number of hits mapped to the IP, which coincidentally belongs to G. We are getting nailed today too.

We are getting worked real hard by both G and Teoma.

[edited by: Yippee at 11:00 pm (utc) on Nov. 3, 2005]

jenkers

10:57 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think the problem is that they are completely reorganising the index, their algos, and it wouldn't surprise me if they were'nt completely reorganising their databases structurally. Its not necessarily the software thats the problem - its the data and its structure and they can't do it in test.

Running the link analysis alone on all their data must be a stupendous task. Maybe they had to rethink...

astro_miner

10:58 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Mozillabot hit about 2 pages per second, then suddenly stopped an hour or so ago.

Hm..

aliszka

11:01 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I personally believe G__gle has more than just updates going on, I think things went real wrong internally and called it an update, Just My Opinion!

aeiouy

11:01 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I personally believe G__gle has more than just updates going on, I think went real wrong internally and called it an update, Just My Opinion!

Never really believed or agreed with anything you have said here.. so I guess now is not the time to start.

aliszka

11:03 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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aeioy:

Great, then don't read my messages! Real Simple!

sailorjwd

11:23 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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aliszka

Take the little blue pill next time

barretire

11:24 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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AEIOUY likes to start trouble in any forum he is in. I hate people like that.

barretire

11:28 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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in fact here is his quote from DP about everyone here.
"So for those of you who think you are seeing Jagger 3, please go join the yokels at WebmasterWorld who insist that Jagger 3 is out there in every corner and crevice. While we see that Jagger 2 is not even fully distributed yet."

Yippee

11:28 pm on Nov 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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LOL Sailor... I second that.

(Yokel - not very intelligent or interested in culture)

HEY! I'm not a yokel! I'm Yippee :)

[edited by: Yippee at 11:38 pm (utc) on Nov. 3, 2005]

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