Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
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The same down-and-on problem here in Turkey.
But j3 goes on and off. No steady results. At least three different sets:
216.239.63.104 (I think with additional tweaks)
64.233.161.104 (still J2)
64.233.179.104 (J3)
Reseller- I thought this could bear repeating. I for one have had interaction with google and done my share with spam reporting. Now my site is receiving nothing but contempt from google.
Personally, I think GG is too embarrased by google's latest update to comment or provide info.
Seems the entire complex has gone quiet. probably due to some stock push they are readying for.
New attitude- (on google's part)- "let them eat cake"
If your comments were worthy of a response, I would respond, but as your comments are pretentious and arrogant, I won't bother.
Christmas had nothing to do with the increase, by the way.
There simply is NOTHING else I can put on these pages at all seriously - and our pages have more information then anyone else in one place (on one page).
Incidentally, these are keywords the average user would NEVER search for - buyers, maintenance type people, etc. for in a corporate setting worldwide do search for them.
I've seen pages get released from supplemental with major re-work and a link on an internal high PR page, but once you include ALL the data you only have spammy options left (like - HI you should buy this keyword part because we have the fastest shipping for this keyword part, etc.) which at some point would probably get you penalized for over optimization.
It's all well and good to give up on google, but it's their game - therefore their rules. No doubt at some point they will need something from the internet community and hopefully they will not have alienated most...
But I asked you not to be offended...
Couldn't resist.
I thought the update "dagger" play on words was quite clever.
I still like goohoosoft though.
big changes again happening on the test DC atleast in my sector 64.233.179.99
Has being going on and off on that DC since almost a week. Big changes only until they last.
Keep the hope!
As far as search relevancy is concerned, the test DC [64.233.179.104...] at the moment showing very POOR results for my test keyword phrase of the sector I watch. Never seen as bad as those serps for ages.
But it is a test DC. One can expect all kind of search relevancy rates during the test period; excellent serps, good serps, less good serps and at the moment garbage serps :-)
I wish the mods allow for posting few examples just to illustrate that.
I wish the mods allow for posting few examples just to illustrate that.
-S
1 of 10 of about 13,400,000
instead of the typical 1 of 10 of about 3,200,000 for mykeyphrase.
Any clues why the huge jump today?
Thanks for the kind words.
However I feel home here at WebmasterWorld and Brett and the mods have been very kind to me. Usually I navigate WebmasterWorld waters successfuly :-)
Talking about the relevancy of search at the moment both on Google.com and the test DC [64.233.179.104...] I'm gonna give an example of a search sent to me by a kind fellow member for few days ago. In this case I'm keeping my own test keyword phrases away of the equation just to be sure to be unbiased.
Try to run this query with quotes on both google.com and test DC [64.233.179.104...] and tell us what you see and how you judge yourself the relevancy of search at the moment. Of course all my friends kind fellow members are most welcome to do the same.
"american heritage cabinets"
Thanks!
What I continue to find disturbing about Jagger and subsequent testing is the apparent shifts they've made in part to sheer volume of links, and the number of nice niche sites being sacrificed in the war on spam.
The current algo seems to really favor massive linking -- and little in the way of on-site quality indicators (probably because they are so easiy manipulated these days) -- which leads to an over abundance in the current SERP's of:
- mega sites, and
- aggressively SEO'd sites (aggressive link building; often 3-way stuff, etc.).
I don't know that I've ever seen so many SERP sets coming out of G that are filled with links to the G/Y directories, About.com, Amazon, Wiki, IYP's, and a handful of other biggies - in tandem with what I think of as "white hat spammers" (clever/aggressive link hounds).
As for the presense of the mega sites, it's not as if those are the most authoritative resources, or as if we could not find those on our own. And I doubt that G's goal was to start featuring big, agressive white hat spammers either.
I'm having to advise some clients with great sites to go out and beef up link building efforts, just to keep up, when they should be worrying about building great sites. The days of "If you make great content, they will come" seem to be coming to an end.
*sigh*
Couldn't agree more Caveman. My enthusiasm to create a unique value website has been rewarded by oblivion.
Very informative post. Thanks.
>>I'm having to advise some clients with great sites to go out and beef up link building efforts, just to keep up, when they should be worrying about building great sites.<<
And that is the sad part of Jagger update. I really hope that the folks at Google shall keep testing until they reach at least a balance between contents and linking. Between old sites and new sites. Between big sites and small sites etc..
The same data can be found on several other DCs too. This junk is not new; it has been seen at various places through at least most of the last half of 2005.
It shows results 1 to 10 of about 101 results and you want to take that as an example for spam, :-) Google dont have to concentrate any of these areas.
Take some competitive areas showing atleast a few million results, I dont see any Spam in these areas both in Jagger 3 and the new test DC results,
P.S - Test DC has reverted back again to Jagger 3 results,
<Added: Obviously there are thousands of other things going on in Jagger beside the points I noted; I just called attention to things that seem, IMO, to be shifting. How much a role LR/BR/etc. implementations/changes are affecting things is far less clear to my eye.>
