Update Saga. Part 6

[selomelo]

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The same down-and-on problem here in Turkey.
But j3 goes on and off. No steady results. At least three different sets:

216.239.63.104 (I think with additional tweaks)
64.233.161.104 (still J2)
64.233.179.104 (J3)

[Atomic]

http://64.233.179.104 seems to be definetely the one to watch I think, I am actually very happy with these results, not that they are perfect but at least most SERP are legitimate AND HUGE INCREASE OF INDEX SIZE :-O

I wouldn't mind it if this one stuck but everywhere I look I see older versions of pages and ancient cache dates.

66.102.9.104 is current and specific pages I asked Google not to crawl are gone. New pages are included. But it could be that the DC you mention doesn't have the same results that I see which would be interesting eh?

[followgreg]

lee_sufc >>> when I ping www.google.com I get 64.233.179.104, I guess that it is a local test then if other DC's would not show similar result.
It looks more than fine IMO, whish you can see it live soon!

So far one thing impressed me, on this 64.233.179.104 they got rid of a company I know who hired tons of workers for 3-way link exchanges which provided them with outstanding results on regular DC's...but not this one...looks like legitimate sites are more likely to get back that way.
Could it be a new generation of filters?

[lee_sufc]

followgreg - i wish google.co.uk would show the results of the DC .com is showing (at least at your end) - strange how you're seeing it but i am not!?!

[reseller]

Good evening Folks

Lets keep in mind that we are still talking about a TEST-DC 64.233.179.104 . Things might still change. And we really don't have an idea about what the testing all about.

Jagger update left few important issues not resolved and the affected fellow members are still looking for Google to find solutions, for example for canonicals and supplementals problems.

And then we have the most important issue, IMO, the quality and relevancy of search. That should also be looked at when evaluating the results of the TEST-DC.

It isn't enough that your own site is doing well on the TEST-DC to issue a general statement that the results of the TEST-DC are great!

My site is doing well both on google.com (another DC) and on the TEST-DC. But I'm not satisfied of what I see within the sectors I watch; marketing & advertising. And I'm not satisfied of the results of TEST-DC when I read fellow members posting that no improvements have taken place when it comes to canonicals & supplementals issues.
Because if those issues continue to exist, my site or yours mightbe the next to be hit because of those unresolved issues.

Lets stand together and tell the folks at the plex:

Listen Googlers! you have the resources and minds to resolve the canonicals & supplementals issues. Please do something about it.

[steveb]

"AND HUGE INCREASE OF INDEX SIZE"

Um, that is not a GOOD thing. LOL. That is an unfortunate sign that that datacenter is even more messed up at its core than the others (regardless even if some results might even be better).

Honest to goodness, we do not need yet another datacenter with yet another rather massive increase in supplementals, URLs that are not pages, www versus non-www duplicates, etc.

The results seem okay now, but the increase in problems, screw ups and stuff that simply should not be in the index is not a good sign, if only because at the very least we are still a long way away from when one of these updates really means anything. As long as such a huge percentage of the Internet continues to be afflicted with Google errors, nothing can be truly ranked sensibly.

[followgreg]

>>reseller, try this one: Hi Google guyS, MSN has no cannonical issue - period.

:) should work at least as well as your version lol

[g1smd]

Test DC [64.233.179.104...] is full of ancient junk: ancient cache (23 months), pages that no longer exist, and junk supplemental pages.

[kamikaze Optimizer]

Reseller: You are referring to that DC as a test DC, but I have been hitting it on the live all day.

[ssjxxx]

Reseller: You are referring to that DC as a test DC, but I have been hitting it on the live all day.

It was MC that said that this was a test DC. We are just repeating what he said. It's certainly possible that Google has tossed the test DC into production, but I don't really understand their reasoning for that.

-S

[kamikaze Optimizer]

Thanks ssj#*$!.

I guess Google is testing live then.

[Atomic]

I don't see any manager allowing a "test" DC to go into production. How could that be good for business? How could it be good for anyone?

[ssjxxx]

Good point, Atomic, but several people have reported seeing the test DC on their www.google.com today. I agree that this is not a good thing. G should be able to test without putting the test DC in production.

-S

[Atomic]

Perhaps it was the test DC at that moment in time when it was first brought to our attention but now it is something else.

I could accept almost anything besides a test going into production. People don't behave that way when so much money is at stake. And I still say it has old pages and caches while our old friend .09 is looking fresh and new.

[Armi]

This Datacenter was definitly on google.com!

I´ve got a "Google Alert mail" with a specific search query, with is only shown on this datacenter!

[Atomic]

That's fine and dandy but just because the IP is the same doesn't mean that the data is or anything else besides the IP for that matter. Maybe it's just me but I wouldn't put subterfuge past Google.

[flyboy]

My site is finally looking good in the test data center.

Started seeing a search strings that I haven’t seen since December January. New traffic was spotted about 0800 GMT yesterday, yesterday’s traffic from google up about 200%, today about 400%. The test center data is alive somewhere.

[Patrick Taylor]

Pro_Editor - welcome to Webmasterworld.

Without knowing your site's circumstances in more detail, advice is difficult, other than to suggest you keep reading here in the Google Search News forums. In the short term I would be inclined not to do anything too hastily if your site performed well for a long while until 1st December.

[edited by: Patrick_Taylor at 11:50 pm (utc) on Dec. 7, 2005]

[Armi]

This data center shows dominantly data, which was spidered by the Mozilla-Bot.

I do not think that these results will come completly into the index on google.com

But one is clear: Google saves the Mozilla-Bot visits!
This was always unclear.

And I could imagine very that Google will put these data into the index into a mix with 66.102.9.104.

[Atomic]

If it's the same DC and it's in production then by definition it's not really a "test" is it? It would be something like the DC formerly known as the "test" DC ; )

[ssjxxx]

It sure would be nice to get an update from MC or GG on the status of this DC. Especially if it's out in the wild now.

-S

[reseller]

Hi Folks

I wouldn't be surprised if the test Dc has been released and the folks at the plex are leting users to check it for "bugs". And that coincide perfectly with Google's BETA-mentality.

Here is what Xoogler Doug Edwards wrote on his blog about developing products at Google:

"Products released as soon as they're checked for security and stability. We'll let users tell us what needs to be fixed"

Good night and God bless.

[Jakpot]

HEY GOOGLE!
you have the resources and minds to resolve the canonicals & supplementals issues. Please do something about it.
Do you have the initiative?

[Pro_Editor]

Thanks Patrick. Just hard to figure out how things can go so badly when they were going so well and I didn't touch anything. Also hard because the results seem skewed: sites (my competition) with few incoming links, terrible web copy, etc. all ahead of mine by many pages, as are irrelevant results. Amazingly, other sites with links to mine come up, but the highlighted keyword phrase is from my ad on that site! I have been reading along though, and it sounds par. I hope the Googlers get this figured out, or that they are at least working on it as all contributors to this discussion seem to think.

[steveb]

"If it's the same DC and it's in production then by definition it's not really a "test" is it?"

No. How do you think they test things? Drive them around the block? C'mon, as we have seen many many times, Google tests data on one or more datacenters, from which they track click patterns and webmaster feedback. This part isn't rocket science.

Still, before it can really be a test, the data has to be up to date with the most current crawls.

[Atomic]

Hmmm, I would think that it has already been tested and is now on a partial rollout if it's the same data as when it was announced that it was a test DC. But all that stale data in it doesn't tell me it's sticking around along. In fact, it's been gone for hours where I am. Perhaps it's back to the secret lair for some extra tinkering.

[steveb]

Well of course its already been tested in house, but data like this could never be completely analyzed and considered "done" in house. There is no replacement for human eyes, and Google doesn't have 100,000 employees testing searches for "Ghegis Khan wives" or whatever.

Old data is normal for test datacenters, but this is waaaaaaay old.

[ssjxxx]

Right. Google has just over 4k employees running these searches:

[google.com...]

;-)

-S

[caveman]

I dunno. Seems possible to me that from time to time, they take an old, very well understood data set, and test just one or two very important newer variables. Serving up one DC's worth of lousy SERP's to test something that they deem important, especially when they can control the exposure of the DC, ain't gonna do too much damage. Especially in light of the halo that continues to circle around their brand image.

Never worked there though...so I dunno.

[ssjxxx]

caveman,

You make a good point. Especially considering that the TTL on the www.google.com A records is only 5 minutes, it would be fairly easy for them to do quick tests in production without many even noticing.

-S

[reseller]

Good morning Folks

Don't let watching the DCs take much of your time when you are supposed to go out shopping X-Mas gifts :-)

Another new morning and another shining day.

Caveman! I guess you are right regarding old data on that test DC. And as such, I think, we shouldn't expect the current serps of the test DC to stick around for a long time.