Update Saga. Part 6

[selomelo]

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The same down-and-on problem here in Turkey.
But j3 goes on and off. No steady results. At least three different sets:

216.239.63.104 (I think with additional tweaks)
64.233.161.104 (still J2)
64.233.179.104 (J3)

[asgdrive]

colin_h. Kangol

... I did not say it was a directory site, It is a ecommerce site that I added a new directory file to with 10K pages. www.widgets.com/foofoo/foo.html
foofoo is a directory in a large site. Ease up on rhetoric, I was providing some info I have observed.

[colin_h]

Steveb,

Having spent some time decyphering this update and with several real dodgy examples in my research ... I know this is just the beginning and definately not the end as you think.

This update was just to placate the big brands, who Google are targeting in their next promo. They are providing hits to the big guns before xmas to show what great value they can do for free and WOW! what they could do if paid ...

Look out you boys who think your safe ... January is gonna hurt ya.

[stateless]

I updated a title on my main site page, which showed up the next day. In the last 24 hours ALL DC's skipped back, the updated title is gone, and search engine positions back to pre-jagger 3. I certainly wouldn't call this flux.

[SEOPTI]

They seem to have caching problems.

[steveb]

"I certainly wouldn't call this flux."

Well you should as that is what it is. What happened with you is what happens with everybody, and has been for two or more years. You got fresh crawled, but your master cache is till the older one. This is the way it works, and is not a "rollback" in any sense.

[asgdrive]

HMMMM
I find it interesting that over 90 days we got over 10K pages indexed. They were not indexed in one day, but over 90 days. As of yesterday we lost all 10K pages. For the rest of our site we also are seeing a master cache that has rolled back to November 2004 on all pages that had a previous cache date over the past 30 days. I also had 200 pages successfully deleted thru the Google removal tool 48 days ago.. They are now back in the index. This sure looks like a rollback to me....

[Marval]

Yippee - that is very normal - and very acceptable - as a matter of fact I believe if you search real hard around here you will find that GG actually recommended hyphens over underscores almost 2 years ago

[reseller]

Good morning Folks

Wish you all a great sunny day.

I can see that there is a heavy flux on the DCs. Few look just like the same as yesterday and the rest are dancing.

This situation remind me of the flux that followed Bourbon update. Still many things might happen which looks like an update is going on, but it was no more and no less than a FLUX :-)

It would be very exciting when Matt "Inigo" Cutts or our kind fellow member GoogleGuy call for comments about the "test data center". Maybe already today!

My guess is that Matt was talking about [66.102.9.104...]

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Matt Said,

November 27, 2005 @ 11:47 pm

P.S. I might put out a call for comments on that test data center sometime this week.
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Lets wait and see ;-)

[Miop]

This may be a bit more than flux.
My decent ranking keywords (page 1) started falling to 100+ on a few DC's and it is now spreading to all the others.
Maybe I am being penalised again - it looks like it since on the new DC's we do not rank well for one single keyword.
If these results are it, I will have to close the business and get a proper job (if I can find one - the whole reason I started this shop is because I couldn't get any sort of job which paid enough to live - I was on government benefits).
If only only only Google would offer some explanation to webmasters who are *not* cheating and do not understand what they are doing wrong.
I feel very down today.

[MikeDammann]

OK let's cut the whole "my site this and that" stuff out, ok? Be real for a minute and look at the competitors above you. Are their sites worse than yours? What makes you think you should be above them. What would you do if you were Google to help determine which sites will suit their searchers best. Stop looking at DCs and start doing some work to improve the quality of your site for crying out loud!

[tigger]

sorry to hear your getting hit again Miop, it is very frustrating when you don't have anything solid to analyse so you can maybe see a way forward. I lost out big time with J3 but fortunately sites that had been untouched for years suddenly started ranking albeit poorly and those sites alone are pulling in some G traffic as well as the life line Y & MSN is sending to my old dropped site.

I've excepted my old site is dead in the water on G due mainly to link exchanges I've been doing over years and years of development and link exchanging and as this update is all about hitting the spammers (me) because I exchanged links then yes I know there is little that I can do than just except it and try and rebuild with my old sites.

[Miop]

I built my first html site by hand, for the customers, and I always ranked well without cheating. When the business grew, I purchased an off-the-shelf cart for my shop, and designed it for the customers. The only thing I think I can be doing 'wrong' is buying a shopping cart where two different product pages are 80% similar, due to the way the cart is written
There is one thing in common for the sites at the top of my serps, which is that they all use the same (expensive) cart. I can't afford to buy this software and I am not a programmer so I can't design my own.
I have worked incessantly on the site for 2 months, reducing the similar content and sorting out the canonical problems - all these things have improved, but even my allinanchor number 1 keywords are now relegated to position 100-110. It's so precise that it looks very much like a penalty. If I've got this when I've done nearly all I can to 'clean' the site of everything which could be offending G, what more can I do? I have an online store - I don't want a bunch of articles on the site - why would I?

[MikeDammann]

So your site is perfect? There is absolutely nothing that could possibly be done to make it any better?

Why don't you get some input? Ask others what they think would be best for your visitors. That's who Google is in the business of pleasing in. Not webmasters. :)

[Miop]

< sorry to hear your getting hit again Miop, it is very frustrating when you don't have anything solid to analyse so you can maybe see a way forward. I lost out big time with J3 but fortunately sites that had been untouched for years suddenly started ranking albeit poorly and those sites alone are pulling in some G traffic as well as the life line Y & MSN is sending to my old dropped site.

I've excepted my old site is dead in the water on G due mainly to link exchanges I've been doing over years and years of development and link exchanging and as this update is all about hitting the spammers (me) because I exchanged links then yes I know there is little that I can do than just except it and try and rebuild with my old sites. >

Thanks. I can comfort myself slightly knowing that we rank even better than before on MSN and Yahoo and we now have three stores on Froogle, but we don't get much traffic from them anyway. I did build a new site for one department from my store which is nice and solid in G but 'sandboxed', so I can only keep trying, but we need money now - I am the only breadwinner in the village. :)
I'm in a panic cos we just had to register for VAT due to a succesful spring, and now this - maybe I can deregister again!

[Miop]

<Are their sites worse than yours? What makes you think you should be above them. What would you do if you were Google to help determine which sites will suit their searchers best.>

Hmm..if their sites are better than mine, how come I rank above them for so many kw's for allinanchor/title/text?
It looks like a penalty, but how can I guess what it is G finds offensive about my site? I don't even have any dodgy reciprocal links, since I've only ever wanted to exchange links with relevant sites!

[tigger]

yep MSN and Yahoo are my lifelines too, shame the bloody public don't use em more - but with the mess G is currently showing it won't take Joe Public long to realise they can find better results elsewhere and the odd thing is friends of mine have been saying the same things (without any prompting from me) most seem to prefer MSN which I tend to agree are showing much cleaner results

[Mountdoom]

>> I'm in marketing and a company the size of Google don't make 'errors' like this without a reason. >>

All companies make errors. I've worked for billion dollar companies and I've seen errors go live. One particular company had to cancel their January sale due to an overflow error in an array! IMO google have struggled technically with this update.

[zikos]

At the moment I survive from yahoo and Jeeves

[zikos]

at Mcdar I see no flux for my keywords all DC's same potition I check some competitors sites and there is a flux ,strange I dont know if is a good sign when your site is stable at the moment at all DC.s.

[itloc]

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All companies make errors. I've worked for billion dollar companies and I've seen errors go live. One particular company had to cancel their January sale due to an overflow error in an array! IMO google have struggled technically with this update.
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Fully agree...and the bigger the company is - the bigger is the error. If I would start ... I could tell ya tales of millions which have been flushed down the toilet. What I have learned so far: if you flush millions - do it with a smile and get a backup from an external consultant. :-))

Sorry for being off topic...

itloc

[headache1987]

Has anyone wondered if different filters apply to different groups now as opposed to the past? I see people say flux flux flux but when I check we haven't budged and nothing is different at all.

[Miop]

The only thing that may be somewhat peculiar to my field is that the British spelling is different to the US spelling, and there ave very many words for the same thing. This is not helping and our number 1 competitor gets around it by spamming Google with hundreds of crosslinked domains, doorway pages and keyword stuffing.
Grrrr.

[tigger]

I'm seeing the same - it seems the webmasters that have done nothing but link exchanges have been hit, but the real mass produce doorway spammers are still stronger than ever - which is very sad as it means webmasters that have followed rules are now turning to the dark side

[Dayo_UK]

Steveb

What type of partial fix did you see? - It happened at my nightime or I was offline - I remember in the thread people saying it is here and then gone again - when I was offline.

So what did you see?

Less Supplementals? Less Canonical Url Problems?

[zikos]

Day by Day I see an increasein my logs from MSN here are todays logs

Google 61.76%
Ask 27.30%
Yahoo 17.65%

Msn 11.76% <<<<<<<<<<<<
I hope very soon that will be reverted to

Msn 61.76%
Ask 27.30%
Yahoo 17.65%

Google 11.76%
Anyone else with the same hops?

[Dayo_UK]

zikos

If you are getting that much traffic today from Google - what is the problem?

Also - anyone else.

What is Googlebot activity like for your site at the moment (Exclude Mozilla Googlebot)? Not much activity at this end - just seems to be scratching the surface.

[Miop]

Google activity virtually nothing for a week, then spidered yesterday and poorer results today!

[zikos]

"If you are getting that much traffic today from Google "
Well I better don't reply to that the big brother watching......

[zikos]

I had a very huge googlebot activity yesterday.
the point is I am penalised.

[reseller]

Miop

>>If these results are it, I will have to close the business and get a proper job (if I can find one - the whole reason I started this shop is because I couldn't get any sort of job which paid enough to live - I was on government benefits). <<

Friend! Sorry to read those sad words. But never lose hope. Things might still change, and hopefully for better results for your site.

Cheers,