Part 4 Update Jagger

[GoogleGuy]

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reseller, Jagger3 ended up having less emphasis on canonicals. I plan to make that a theme in my feedback to people at work though.

AlexK, that's a different domain. But the point is very well taken. You've found a pretty obscure query (~295 results) that the keyword stuffing spammers like to target. I'll check this out in more detail.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 1:03 am (utc) on Nov. 12, 2005]

[bekyed]

Overflow weekly

:)

[Dayo_UK]

Spanish_eye

The .9 is still in flux.

>>>IS Jagger 3 already done?

No

>>>>Has it psread through all the DCs and visible to the public?

No - only on 2 DCs (maybe 3 sometimes) - Yes, visible to the public as the DCs are in use with the other dcs.

[bekyed]

No, still in flux.

Bek.

[Patrick Taylor]

Regarding sites with a homepage of less PR than other pages: I have seen this, and there is a possible explanation (in theory).

If Google has in it's index older cached versions of non-www pages (picked up before the 301 redirect was done) and the non-www homepage is the only page that is non-supplemental, then PR could be split between the www and non-www homepages but not on all the other pages.

[WebPixie]

A site of mine had a PR3 home page and PR4 catagory pages until the recent update. It had no issues with www/non-www or anything else. It happens sometimes. The toolbar PR really is almost meaningless.

[Erku]

Thank you guys for your replies.

Is there any idea or hope or update from Google as to when will the Jagger 3 stabilize and when will this be over?

Thank you.

[reseller]

Erku

>>Is there any idea or hope or update from Google as to when will the Jagger 3 stabilize and when will this be over? <<

My expectation is around 3 weeks more.

[Erku]

Wow, so that long?

I was hoping in two three days this will be over. It has been almost like a month.

Will it gradually do it, or three weeks later, it will be an overnight switch?

[bekyed]

3 weeks more.
A lot of businesses will not be here then I think, in our sector anyway.

Bek.

[Ankhenaton]

Will it gradually do it, or three weeks later, it will be an overnight switch?

I guess you won't get a definite/reliable answer for that. Even if MC/GG etc would like to help they probably had to sign Non Disclosure Agreements or something like that.

[webdude]

bekyed,

If the loss in your ranking is for the site listed in your profile, it seems you may have a problem. I have not been able to access it today or yesterday. Could it be down?

The page cannot be displayed
The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.

[reseller]

Erku
bekyed

Keeping in mind that Jagger update mightbe the biggest update we have ever seen until now, no wonder its taking such long time.

Jagger3 should be pushed to each Dc individually and that might take more than a week. Then the following flux might continue for another week or so.
As you see 3 weeks isnīt really much in this connection. But of course I mightbe wrong. Only GG or Matt can give an exact answer provided things will go according to schedule.

In fact the last stage of Borboun update plus the flux took around 3 weeks or so, if I recall correctly.

[Joop]

I've read through *most* of these posts, but apologies if this question has been asked before, but what exactly do you mean by 'flux'?

[Pico_Train]

A settling down of the results. Sites will move up and down, depending on a variety of calculations based on PR, links, keyword density, popularity and the other variables you care to mention before the real, settled, stable results are achieved.

Clear? not sure it is...

[Skylo]

Flux: Continuous motion and/or change

So in our predicament flux describes the constant change of result sets across the different datacanters during an update :-)

[petehall]

If it lasts for another 3 weeks we'll soon be getting excited about non-updates.

Non-update Jagger etc!

[Pico_Train]

Indeed Pete, seems like we spend less time in stable results than in updates in the last 12 months.

December 04 - Update
Feb 05 - Update
March 05 Update
April 05 - Update
May to June 05 - Update
July to September - Not much as far as I could tell in my sector
Mid-September to Mid-November - Update

Hmmmmm, what is the deal with this man? It ain't getting better with all the darn changes Boss Hog!

[Ankhenaton]

66.249 continous crawling like there is no tomorrow. Montly PI now at estimated 1.2 PI after robot exclusion down from 4.3 .. still #1 on my keyword, not a clue whats going on and why what happens. Don't really feel like doing anything useful until this is over and we can do a definite damage assessment besides trying to get more traffic elsewhere than G.

[zimba]

It would seem that all our lives have been on an emotional roller coaster for the last 3 weeks. I think it would be fair of us to ask GG "An approx time for this to end" . 3 more weeks of this and I might need to be hospitalised.

[zikos]

"3 more weeks of this and I might need to be hospitalised. "
What don't you get a normal job and forget google.

[reseller]

Ok. Let me try and we mightbe lucky. GG and Matt use to post sometimes before going to work at the plex. Thats around 4 pm (GMT+1) my local time. Donīt know whats the equivalent time at the plex.

Good morning GoogleGuy and Matt

Would you be kind to tell us when do you expect Jagger3 plus the following flux to be over?

Thanks a bunch.

[zimba]

Im fortunate that I only rely on G for approx 18% of my traffic. I have an average of 16% of all visitors adding my 2 websites to their favourites lists etc (the importance of making a site useful and attractive enough to accomplish return visitors), we have a top level domain name as well thats easy to remember. Direct traffic counts for 60% of all my visitors.

Yes Google is extremely important but not the end of the world for me. However, it really does sort of become a personal thing doesnt it, getting to the top of google. Lets face it we all sleep far better knowing were up top.

[bekyed]

Hi Webdude,

No that site is down at the moment, and may be discontinued as it has lost it's rankings too.

Bek.

[Yippee]

What?! You all are still here? Anyone pull an all nighter in here? hehe, man, you guys should really focus on the real work instead of being hypnotized by the DCs ;) You know what they say, the clock is shy when you are watching it...

[edited by: Yippee at 3:10 pm (utc) on Nov. 9, 2005]

[Block19Row13]

hi all my wesite listings have gone from page 1's and 2's to page 8's and 9's (mid last meek).

does this constitue as "dissapeared"?

ive been spending alot of my time reading about "jagger" and what to do about it.

dont panic is the instruction i read most.

but, people talk about the jagger update making there listings dissapear, does dropping down the pages count?

thanks

[bekyed]

Hi Block,

I think we all in the same boat, all you can do is sit and wait.
Come back florida.

Bek.

[theBear]

donelson, 2by4

Salon99 methods for conducting the study were fine for the purpose of the study (note I said methods, not the application thereof).

Mistooke #1: Assuming that on the .7 and .9 IP adresses that they were looking at presented the same index/links db combo all the time (that is it was always j1j2j3 on .9) and j2 on .7).

Mistooke #2: Measuring those IP addresses against MSN normal and Yahoo normal.

Yes it is like a sweeps, I would have liked to see Google normal vs MSN normal vs Yahoo normal however.

I use all three S/E and have found varying degrees of trash in each engine depending on search area.

What would really be of interest to me is: Google normal vs Google after j1j2j3.

In other words what direction is Google going in.

[WW_Watcher]

Block19Row13
Dissapeared is gone, history, not found, not page now showing up further down the serps.
The first question that must be answered is have you checked the datacenters that J3 are now active on, you might be doing better already, and just have not seen it. In either case, do not panic, but you should go over your site to check to see if you have done anything to displease the big G. There are many reccomendations that have been made in the last couple months that might need to be checked, such as implimenting a 301 redirect for non-www to www, no javascript redirects(or other possibly shady redirects), no hidden text and so on. It may be your work has just begun.

Not everyone is in the same boat, some sites have not been affected at all, Others have recovered, some have good rankins that never had them before, others lost traffic, that will return with J3, others lost positions, others dissappeared.

No-one has any exact answers(and never will)

Back to watching,
WW_Watcher

[edited by: WW_Watcher at 3:41 pm (utc) on Nov. 9, 2005]

[Block19Row13]

ill be honest, im new to this game so updates have never really been top of my list (why would they when you have good results).

its only when you are hurt you take notice.

what i have noticed though, is results on page 1, where i used to be, that dont even contain the keyword im trying to get listed under.

i take it this is part of jaggers dance

[Block19Row13]

WW Watcher

how do i check ip's in which jagger is running on?

mt site is ecommerce.

the biggest updates are price reviews deleting and adding products.

no 301's or any funny stuff.