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AlexK, that's a different domain. But the point is very well taken. You've found a pretty obscure query (~295 results) that the keyword stuffing spammers like to target. I'll check this out in more detail.
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 1:03 am (utc) on Nov. 12, 2005]
Just another note. On this 3 word phrase when I search 66.102.9.104, it shows a return of 2,560,000 pages, but only 14 results are shown. Then I click "If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included."
Then it returns all the pages. This has been happening off and on for the past 3 days. That is what it is showing right now. Definitely something going on on that DC.
mmmm. I am now getting the exact same thing on 66.102.9.104 - only 10 results on this one showing out of 2,540,000 pages.
Interesting
yep... definitely both DCs are doing this with different results.
[66.102.9.104...] and [66.102.7.104...] look the same for me here.
I am seeing the same results now for 18 hours or so on these DCs ... and I see these as a great improvement over J1. I also see more relevance in the current SERPs over pre Jagger results, though I have some sites that aren't as well ranked as they were. But the sites above mine *now* are equally relevant ... I couldn't say that about J1. There was lots of spam and entirely irrelevant results at that point.
In J1, many of my sites were terribly affected, effectively gone, though they could still be found in the 100+ range ... now they are all back to top 5 positions, though some are one or two places below where they were.
And there are some improvements in rank on some keywords ... I can live and learn with this ...
Cheers, MJ
All big companies have downtime and error pages, like my broadband provider. It's time Google has something like this too.Meanwhile we are informed about an Easter Egg in a movie by Matt Cutts :\.
Funny what kind of completely unrealistic standards and expectations people place on others. Matt Cutts is a human being. He has a job. He is not expected to work 24x7 hours a day 7 days a week for you. The fact that he wrote a 3 line blog entry about something he saw in a tv show last not is irrelevant. Your bitterness about that comes across as being irrational.
Google Stumbles [forbes.com]
I love it G - keep it right where it is!!! One result and it's me! Gotta love it! Yippie Skippie! ;-)
Your methods may be sound however your application of the methods may be incorrect.
You are assuming that the results you see coming from a particular DC at the point in time your query ran is actually even drawn from a complete database.
Listen to GG talking about first and second order differences. Sounds like partials to me.
Those DC could represent deltas to apply to the primary index and even those deltas are changing.
One thing is however painfully clear the update takes too long. Seems they are carrying a lot of excess baggage and the articulateds are huffing and puffing and barely getting the job done.
Just a couple of things to add to the stew.
on the two DC's mentioned by GG / MC, the site: command was far more organised.. but now it's back to the other DC format (random)..
the site: command showed an organised list of pages.. home page first, then some of the more important pages next.. that's now gone :(
Does this mean Jagger3 has been and gone, or that part 3 has been postponed / reversed?
Spammers and Google gotta be luvin Jagger.
Has Jagger3 propagated across all DC's now..
Or is it still to come?.. or has in been canned?
I know these are difficult questions, especially when GG and Cutts have been more noticeable by their absense in the last day!
Most days there were some sort of weather reports, but after this most recent tweak, there's no news!
No news isn't always good news I guess?
After the definative,
"Starting yesterday, Jagger3 was visible at the 66.102.9.104 data center. Theres still some minor flux on that data center, but it includes Jagger1, Jagger2, and Jagger3"
from MC
and the slightly more ambiguous "blending" statement things seem to have got more confusing.
Especially of concern to me is that 66.102.9.104 was showing beautifully ordered results for the site:*** command a couple of days ago which showed the titles and descriptions of my pages in a correct hierarchical order - for the first time ever. No supplementals, no titles only, no obscure buried and forgotten pages appearing at the top, etc, etc.
Now it looks like someone dropped my results and hastily picked them up again hoping I wouldn't notice. My dog would've done better (she's clever as dogs go).
Regardless of how I come out of these updates I'd just love to know what is happening. If my sites suffer then I can get on with some work. If my sites benefit then I can also get on with some work.
There are some much more experienced and knowledgable folk on WebmasterWorld, I think it's maybe time for one of you to summarise where we are today. It's all clear as mud to me.
Not only that, at the bottom of the page it says "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 13 already displayed.
If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included."
I see only 1 displayed. Sometimes 2 Sometimes 13.
I have also tried this from another machine, different platform and on another Class C block with the same results.
[edited by: webdude at 7:38 pm (utc) on Nov. 8, 2005]
Your bitterness about that comes across as being irrational.
The point was a lame information policy Google side not a dig at MC. Being a small employee he likely has to adhere to higher level policies. But you usually have to talk to the call centre and not to the CEO.
but I am especially interested in the sort of analysis that seeks to determine whether the algos have changed for particular elements, such as anchor text.
I happen to think this is the case as well, such as a new part for on-page factors regarding link-to-text ratios. I'll give a quick example.
One of our sites focuses on two keywords, which are synonyms but both widely used. We'll call them "widgets" and "wodgets".
Widgets is used in the internal anchors about 4 to 5 times more than wodgets. Previous to this it didn't matter, both terms ranked well. Now we rank well only for widgets. Terms that include wodgets dropped 25 to 30 spots overall.
This coincodes with my theory that, like in the case with indented results, G searches for your strongest page with the keywords present, the most relevant page with the keywords present, compares it to the ratios found on the rest of your site, then decides where to rank you and whether to show either or both pages.
On-page factors have definitely become more of an impact...
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,570,000In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 12 already displayed.
If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.
Interesting. All the pages are omitted except for the 12 showing (or 1 or 2 or 13... whatever)
Check this out:Google Stumbles
The book scanning means they are now trying to make also content and grab the ads of all webmasters providing that kind of content on the long run :\.
Soon there will be Google Travel, Google MySpace, Google Dictionary, Google Web catalogue. Soon we all will be in direct competition with Google :\.
Probably the best is to offer localised produce or something like that. Unless we will get Google apiculturist etc lol ..
>>Could someone sticky me. I need someone else to check this. I am getting this very consistently now.<<
In the sector Iīm watching, 66.102.9.104 and 66.102.7.104 still show different results, and both are garbage to say it mildly :-)
Because of the TOS, I canīt illustrate an example which show www.msn.com within top 10 positions of the two DCs serps for one of my keyphrases. Well.. MSN shouldn't be there at all. Unless Google intends to reward MSN for reasons we don't know :-)
Lots of strange things going on at the moment.
Reseller - We need you to do your Googleguy dance.
Just an weather report on where we are with Jagger3 would be nice for a start.......
this is what Google is doing now
just checked again and we are back to 13 results... mmmmm
oh... enough with the stickies and thanks for all who checked.
Still the same on both 66.102.7.104 and 66.102.9.104
[edited by: webdude at 8:25 pm (utc) on Nov. 8, 2005]
>>Reseller - We need you to do your Googleguy dance.
Just an weather report on where we are with Jagger3 would be nice for a start.....<<
Honestly I havenīt spent much time on the DCs today. However, I posted this morning that it seems that the dog ate Jagger3,,because I just couldnīt see it at that time.
So I thought that its the flux within the DCs in general and within Jagger3 2 DCs in particular.
However I took another look at the DCs this evening to see that Jagger3 Dcs returning junk serps within the sector Iīm watching. Havenīt had much time to think of a "GoogleGuy dance" speech :-)
