Part 4 Update Jagger

[GoogleGuy]

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[webmasterworld.com...]

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reseller, Jagger3 ended up having less emphasis on canonicals. I plan to make that a theme in my feedback to people at work though.

AlexK, that's a different domain. But the point is very well taken. You've found a pretty obscure query (~295 results) that the keyword stuffing spammers like to target. I'll check this out in more detail.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 1:03 am (utc) on Nov. 12, 2005]

[WW_Watcher]

Hey Block19Row13
check 66.102.9.104, this is where GG and Matt say where J3 is visible, and rolling out from. Being new, you have a ton of studing to do.

Back to watching
WW_Watcher

[Block19Row13]

thanks, but how do you go about checking it - now i have an ip, what do i do with it?

sorry if its basic but, we all start somewhere.

[WW_Watcher]

Hey Block19Row13
add all the numbers together, devide by 3, multiply by 7, and then,, or just copy it into your address bar, and press enter

back to watching
;-)
WW_Watcher

[glitterball]

How does Google treat robots.txt?

On that datacentre (66.102.9.104) it has full versions of a page that I banned with Robots.txt a long time ago.
Before this update, google had URL only (no cache or descriptions) listings of these pages, but that datacentre has descriptions and cached versions of the pages that I wanted to remove.

How do you remove pages completely from Google?

[TammyJo]

66.102.9.104- Did I miss something...this looks like it is back to J2?

[Block19Row13]

thanks.

nowhere to be seen there, but what is interesting is that a guy (a competitor) on page 1 of G at present who uses the smae ecommerce software as me, is no where to be seen either.

[PhraSEOlogy]

BlockRow,

Try googling "check google datacenters" and you will see sites that allow you to check you ranking for a particular google datacenter.

[colin_h]

I've just checked web designers in our local area on 66.102.9.104 and found our local railways website at number 9. It only has the smallest inner link to their designer on the page and no other reference.

Things are far from being sorted

Cheers

[Block19Row13]

this is confusing stuff!

ive searched via my G toolbar foe my best keyword.

ive rolled over the "cached" link for the 1st result and the ip is 72.14.207.104.

i then searched 72.14.207.104 for the same keyword and the results were completely different.

WDF

[Kangol]

Ive seen for a moment J3 on my google.com. Now I get [64.233.183.104,...] things must be cooking there. i think that they tested all day the J3 and now is back to the drawing board for GoogleGuy and crew, at least I hope so.

[WW_Watcher]

Block19Row13
Kinda like life, first you know nothing, in your teenage years, you know everything, then with age comes confusion, and the persiute of knowledge, then finally you learn that the more you learn, the more you find there is to know.

The bright side, you have found the website that can give you the knowledge, and over time most of your questions can be ansewered.

Way too many questions in that last statement about the g toolbar, and differnt results between datacenters.

back to watching
WW_Watcher

[bekyed]

Hmmm,

The more I look at it guys, it looks more like an over - optimisation filter but google is keeping a few authoritative sites on the top with the directory listings, sub pages etc.
When do we under - optimise that is the question?

Bek.

[edited by: bekyed at 4:20 pm (utc) on Nov. 9, 2005]

[zztracy]

Block --

I'm new too, but here's what I've figured out works for me after a few days watching these experienced (and stressed?) folks

Use mcdar.net >> datacenter q-check tool, >> "check across datacenter IP group A"
button

66.102.9.104 & 66.102.11.104 seems to be Jagger3. 66.102.7.104 is Jagger 2-ish, mostly spread to the others (64.233.189.104 is representative of rest of sites)

Good luck

[followgreg]

I think that this Jagger3 does not filter subdomain spam.

I see some keyword.domain.com, keyword2.domain.com, keyword3.domain.com overly cross linked each others ranking far too high!

[Block19Row13]

surely that will put every company that offers page critic software out of business!

"learn how to penalise your site in 5 mins - FREE DOWNLOAD"

nasty

[Kangol]

"I think that this Jagger3 does not filter subdomain spam.
I see some keyword.domain.com, keyword2.domain.com, keyword3.domain.com overly cross linked each others ranking far too high!"

Yes I see that on my terms. Just too many of them, they just spamm and redirect.

[thecaptainandcookie]

everyone is seeing what they want to see

[Block19Row13]

thanks you guys your all very kind for the help.

but, all of these datacentres seem to be a bit too worldwide.

the majority of my customers will select the "search pages from the uk" option before performing the search.

this reduces the results by around 80 - 90%, hence we get lsitings.

ill just sit tight.

[Erku]

So every day we will see more DCs featuring Jagger 3? And therefore, more stability?

If we are ranked better in Jagger 3 than pre Jagger, should we expect our traffic to go up GRADUALLY in the next few weeks?

Thank you.

How many Google DCs are there?

[linkjack]

This is the best update ever.

I searched for a term barely, loosely, related to world hotels 1999 and got my favorite magazine in the top 5 results: Dr. Dobbs Journal (for computer programmers)

Way to go Google. My sincerest congratulations.

[northweb]

Ok....so where is Jagger 3?

[TammyJo]

I was hoping to wake up this morning, my birthday, and get a big surprise...I did, but not a good one:) All the DC's for our keywords are showing the same, but J2ish numbers. The .9 from yesterday is nowhere to be found.

Which is REALLY the J3 update? The results showing on the DC Matt originally talked about are showing ...J2ish.

I have noticed major sites have totally disappeared and quickly thrown together product sites reign (other than the top 1 & 2 positions) and spamming type sites(left side 1/4 mile navigation links to other pages within their site with links on them) seem to outrank authority type sites...finding them on page 5...just weird. Still "fluxing" is right:)

On a bright note, I have been putting time towards reader focus upgrades in the wait time...that is really what the focus should be anyway ....right! :)

Your right...we see what we want to see...everyone thinks their site is worthy. The above described sites are definiely not quality...however you choose to look at it :)

[DumpedbyG]

<<< If we are ranked better in Jagger 3 than pre Jagger >>>

That is imposiable, For every site which go up one must go down.

[theBear]

linkjack,

Really, what did you think about the Avoiding Software Pitfalls article in the May 1988 issue of DDJ?

Are there any lessons applicable to the current situation?

Programmers do travel so the listing might be valid ;-).

[Erku]

Why not possible.

Let's say we were on 400 before jagger and now we are 200

Is this not possible?

[g1smd]

>> Yes, my homepage got a PR0 last PR update <<

Did you check each (all) of these:

- domain.com
- www.domain.com
- domain.com/index.html
- www.domain.com/index.html

and see if any of them still show any PR?

[TammyJo]

Remember a few pages back where it was discussed ecommerce vs information sites.

From what I am seeing it looks like the ecommerce sites are showing before information sites. Are you seeing the same?

[linkjack]

theBear - I vaguely remember that article, I got the new DDJ cd so I could probably search it up.

but anyway, how many of the pitfalls has google fallen into this time?

[kperr]

Happy Birthday, TammyJo. Mine too.

Let's hope for better things to come.

[Ankhenaton]

Can somebody please clarify this 301 issue. :\

A 301 is out now? I have links dating back to 1997 and obviously have changed the sites since them. If 301 is out what is one supposed to use then? 301 moved permanently ... seems to be the thing to do. And if I use an extra webserver to clear out the example.com to www.example.com what's the thing here Moved permanently seems the thing to do ..