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Part 4 Update Jagger

         

GoogleGuy

9:18 am on Nov 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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reseller, Jagger3 ended up having less emphasis on canonicals. I plan to make that a theme in my feedback to people at work though.

AlexK, that's a different domain. But the point is very well taken. You've found a pretty obscure query (~295 results) that the keyword stuffing spammers like to target. I'll check this out in more detail.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 1:03 am (utc) on Nov. 12, 2005]

donelson

1:31 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Can we post here, without offending the moderators or Google, just HOW MUCH revenue (percentage, not amount) we've lost due to this little Fiasco?

For example, I could say "25% of expected revenues lost"

I assume that Google will have lost a similar proportion. Or perhaps not...

zikos

1:33 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



"time is on my side" not Google's side.

spaceylacie

1:34 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't see anything wrong with talking about revenue lost, but I doubt what I lost has anything to do with how G faired. I lost 38% of income.

zikos

1:34 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



Fiasco=Jagger update

WebPixie

1:35 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"I guess this means it's over."

I'm showing the exact same position on every DC on McDar for my main site. It would appear that these results are going to the base for future fluxing. But no official word from G yet.

showtime

1:35 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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if it is over and 66.102.7.104, 66.102.9.104 shows the exact results

I dont like it

Ankhenaton

1:37 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



90% down on revenue today.. not funny at all.

donelson

1:38 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It would appear that these results are going to the base for future fluxing. But no official word from G yet.
Not necessarily. Could be that so many complained, that they pulled it, or backed up some...

Our results now are very similar to those we had pre-September.

zikos

1:40 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



Maybe some of you have not realised yet that we are experience the death of a Giant.... (LOL) and he was only just a child.........5-6 yeras`old

zikos

1:41 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



Thanks Oh You Mighty God.

Dayo_UK

1:43 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



I guess it might be over for some sites (some sites are stable)

But I think for others the ride still has a way to go.

zikos

You are 100% correct, was watching mcdar rather than the Life and Death of Brian Jones.

spaceylacie

1:54 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone have a site that is not stable? I watch over a dozen sites closely under a large variety of keywords, all are stable. The only small difference I saw was that one site was ranked 111th in 7, 114th in 9, and 113th in my default google. For sites that rank within the first 3 pages, absolutely no difference between DCs, and all 10 tops for the keywords(over 20 different keywords and phrases) I closely monitor are exactly the same in the different DCs.

Eazygoin

1:54 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_uk
Mcdar has just said exactly what you said in a post on another popular forum [d...p.com] regarding some sites finished,others still to go.
I agree, by the way, as my main site hasn't moved in 48 hours.

[edited by: Eazygoin at 1:57 pm (utc) on Nov. 8, 2005]

RussellC

1:55 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Wow, I cannot believe this. It's like we are completely in the Sandbox again after being out for over a year. Totally white hat site. I dont know what happened. I rank well in Yahoo and MSN still but don't get nearly the same amount of traffic from them. Bummer.

Dayo_UK

1:55 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



SpaceyLacie

Yes, I am watching a site that is not only different on each DC but returns different results on each site:domain.com check. :/

black

2:00 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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stable results on my side; little changes in my area (hotel reservation).

WW_Watcher

2:00 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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IMHO, What we are seeing is J2 + Everflux. Last Night(for me), J3 was removed from public view.

It Ain't Over Yet!

back to watching
WW_Watcher

Eazygoin

2:03 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have particularly been watching three keywords at number 1 position, one with 550 total results, one with 25 million results, and one with 164000 results and none have moved in the last two days.

Yippee

2:16 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just giving an update on our side of cyberspace. Our site is slowly but surely gaining back it's momentum. In the words of 2by4:

>> These big updates don't happen very often, the more solid your sites are the less likely you'll be affected. <<

Apparently, our site was solid as I feel our focus in building it and promoting it was dead on. We have returned for most of of our major keywords, and gained a few more. Our deep pages are slowly getting back in there and coming up for relevant searches, and G has been spending quite sometime crawling our site. For the first time G beat Y on our referral report since 9/22. It's definitely a sight for sore eyes.

The one issue now I am pondering is that the referrals from Y has gone down some or beginning to slightly flux. Considering M revamped their SERPs earlier this year, and G now, could Y be following suit? Anyone else see a decline in their Y referrals?

Anyway, I hope you all recover. This was one heck of an update. In the end, I think this update was just and needed but nonetheless it hurt ALL of us real bad. Survival of the fittest I suppose. Death to spammers and black hats!

PS. I still think webmasters should unite and form some sort of a unified front where we can all speak in one voice, and take back some of the control we have lost over the years.

[edited by: Yippee at 2:18 pm (utc) on Nov. 8, 2005]

comicsrus

2:16 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hey Gimp, your problem sounds much like mine. I know that drops are from the disappearnce from a key subdomian.
(www.mysite.com/Sample/GONE/GONE)

Ledfish

2:17 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think we are headed for the finish line.

After checking mcdar this morning for our prized keyword, I'm seeing total alignment of the top ten results on all DC's.

For us this has been a fairly good update. We gained two positions. I know others have not been this lucky.

Now if I could just get our internals ranking again like they should be, I'd be a happy camper. Still can't seem to figure out why they lost all ranking back about March of this year. We did find some internal duplication problems, but we have eliminated almost all of those as far as we can tell, but still have not seen any improvement. If anyone suffered a similair fate back in the early spring and has been able to recover, I would love it if you could sticky me and we could do some comparisons so I can see if there is a solution.

Ankhenaton

2:19 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



I am getting the "the only visitor to my site is Googlebot" T-Shirt. Crawls as he ususally does.

With the recent installment of the adense referal program I wouldn't wonder if they try to hook smaller sites so that they get more $100 a month sites. I think this is their only growth market. If all small webmasters report it's basically pointless using adsense, G will grow nowhere as I think they maxed out on the bigger websites.

I think all those that think that SE updates are quality updates are not correct. This is a business operation and not a quality update. If quality suits G they will obviously do it, but I guess the G accountants will enforce updates that make G more money not less.

driwashsolutions

2:23 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My guess is that G has to get all of the DC's to the level of Jagger2 before Jagger3 can propagate across all of the DC's.

As of Monday morning, IMO, they were in such disarray, and this gives a solid foundation for the Jagger3 propagation. GG and/or MC said there would be up to two weeks of flux (defined: Constant or frequent change; fluctuation), and I'm betting this is part of that.

normasp - hang in there. To paraphrase Arnold: "You'll be back"

normasp

2:30 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



hahaha!

>> I am getting the "the only visitor to my site is Googlebot" T-Shirt.

Me too!
Where can I find it?

>> normasp - hang in there. To paraphrase Arnold: "You'll be back"

Here I am!

driwashsolutions

2:35 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> normasp - hang in there. To paraphrase Arnold: "You'll be back"

Here I am!

I Mean in the SERPS!

normasp

2:37 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



ah!
hahaha!
my english is so bad.. :(

Leosghost

2:38 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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your english is fine ..

normasp

2:42 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



Thanks :P

Ankhenaton

2:43 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)



Unlike Arnolds .. :D

JudgeJeffries

2:59 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Something I noticed on one of my older sites is that I have a lot of anchor text in that says just 'old widgets' and as a result I was #1 for any type of 'old widgets' ie 'red old widgets', blue old widgets' 'smelly old widgets' etc etc.
Now I'm nowhere on any of the variants and just feature for the original term ie 'old widgets'.
Any ideas?
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