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8:35 pm on May 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My whole site has a new cache date of May 25th. Maybe once these other sites around me get recached, I won't hold such an honorable top position. But at least Google has found my pages worthy to sit in the Search again.:) It seems strange to look at the stats and see Google in there, after 6 months of just seeing Yahoo and MSN referrals.

My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.

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I don't know if thats against the TOS.. i.e. URLs etc
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KBA I don't mean for people to advertise their sites, just link to google with the keywords in it.

Can I just say that one site I have been working on has moved from not being in the first 50 pages in google for its keywords, to with a bit of optimization over the last few months hitting #1 this week.

Googles doing OK by me at present

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reseller - "We said exactly the same after allegra. The only difference was that we didnīt invite a fat lady to sing for us.

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And just like this Bourbon update there were a lot of fellow members who kept telling us that the update wasnīt completed and "we should sit tight, wait and see".

Trust me the fat lady has sung and left the building and we all have to live with the current serps till the arrival of the next "Minor shuffling" followed by a new update."

Well Im telling you my site as we type is coming back from having over half the pages to include the home page being grey-bared and out of the index to getting pr back and now these same pages are showing up in the index again, I would say "Its not over" wouldnt you?

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Well if this update is finished, what have they done?

What a pile of cr@p the serps are now. MSN and Yahoo have NOTHING to worry about, Google are now helping them!

Its just such a waste of what was once a great search engine.

I wish i could quote some urls. I see some absolute gems ranking high in the sector im involved in. Sites with little content but redirected links, company sites that supply services to websites ranking higher than on topic sites because they have an outbound link to a high ranked on topic site and some real poor directory sites all up at the top. Meanwhile a lot of quality on topic results feature outside the top 30.

Its simply amazing. I am being genorous by saying that the results now are about 12% of the top 30 are relevent to the search term - I have never seen it so bad.

Thank god we have Yahoo and MSN!

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Wow. I've never seen anything like this update.

My 8-year-old site with PR5 that is full of hundreds of pages of original content saw its hits drop by over 75% in one day. Daily for months, we've been seeing right around 2,000 uniques a day. Then, that fateful day, they dropped to just over 500, where they've been since, with almost all from MSN and Yahoo.

My site is gone from almost all my keywords, though my PR hasn't changed - I haven't updated this site in a while, and I definitely haven't done anything bad in SEO. I haven't even touched it. It is a non-commercial site, so I haven't tried to promote it very hard. You know, just useful information. Not the kind of site that Google likes anymore.

The top sites in these keywords are now all junk. Pages with no PR, one instance of a keyword, or none at all (just in links to the site), scraper sites, just junk!

I've also seen in my own personal searches, Google just sucks. The SERPS are terrible. It's like using ALTAVISTA again five years ago. Did Google forget why they got market share in the first place?

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Honestly, when are people going to realize that this forum is a little useless when one cannot post URI examples.

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12 days and if you type my keywords "red blue" my site redblue.co.uk comes top in MSN and top in Yahoo and I can't find the ***** thing in google. It does not exist in the top 200 results.
This is not a spammy site and services a small niche with very relevant listings.

We keep digging for answers while they are right there in front of our noses.

Your top positions on Yahoo are hearting your google positions for the simple fact that your site is now linked from thousands of yahoo scrappers.

Your site is now a major "link farming", "link buying", "Duplicate content" spam suspect. Without your knowledge or consent. You are being penalized for your hard work.. Creating content is a big no no in google eyes nowadays.

Is google broken? YES IT IS.

Any search engine which is unable to accommodate for such issues and penalize sites for gaining unwanted links IS BROKEN or very poorly designed.

Google can no longer handle the spam, in fact it appears as a major spam catalyst itself.

Stop tweaking your pages. There is not much you can do to stop scrappers linking to you. This is a google problem.....start launching your own scrappers if you want to survive in this business and watch googl's database going 16 billion pages on the next update.

Google is dying allright.

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I checked our site, and we are also gone from international sites like: google.it, google.de, fr, jp...
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My sites (6) they have all dropped from 2000 searches a day (each) to 46 a day one of them, to 2 a day another, 1 or 0 for another and so on, GREAT update, we were affected by the Allegra update, but just in April 2005 we started to recover, but now is just too much, I am going to see Social Security because I have NO income
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I hate to say it but you are right.

I just moved my browsers search from google to yahoo after 7 years, because for the first time since altavista search screwed up, there is now a better alternative!

its the only game in town now if the last google update really is done! I really hope there is gonna be a BIG final fix! But its not likely now.

3 (of 9) pure unique content sites I own (and I really DO mean unique!) have all but vanished from the serps in G.

In msn, and yahoo all is as expected, and my sites are found for the obvious terms that you would expect.

Above my genuine and very large content pages on google, with thousands of words per page, are 3 or 4 full pages of very dubious "directories" with my url. some stolen content, or newsgroups, my own sites, forums, that link to me! My sites are buried, or severely penalised or something... All this work and for what?

In any normal situation I would just chuck it and do something else. But I am a paraplegic, the only way I can work to make ends meet is websites and advertising. Shovels are no use to me anymore!

Google holds the power to trash 85% of my visitors, and income, even if its totally whitehat at a stroke! And it has. Presumably because of scraper directories with duplicate contents for almost all of my pages.

For the 2nd or 3rd time now. I am too tired to fight it now, so will just watch.

Seems to me that the tide has changed! Remember when AltaVista no longer provided sensible results?

We all went to the new "google" as it was fast, clean and accurate! The public followed,

Well its happening agsin!

So who is next?

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Yikkes.. Things are hopping all over. My exact company name search went from 98th to 40th in 10 mins.

And, 1200 of 2650 results (mostly spammers) removed from search results for my company name.

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How well I remember when I switched to Google a few years ago. My dad had just been diagnosed with cancer. I did the usual AltaVista search and got nothing but obituaries. So I tried Google and got top national medical sites. The same could happen again if a really good search engine appears on the scene. Word spreads fast.

Back on the topic of this thread. Listen to the people posting that they have had a big drop on older well established content sites. The same has happened to me with one of my sites that is about 5 years old. up until now any time I uploaded a new article on it I could be sure it would be in the first page or two in Google serps with appropriate key words. Now they are several pages down. There must be a key here as to what caused the change and what can be done. I do wonder if these old well established sites have been damaged by having so many scraper sites linking to them.

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Don't you find it funny how Yahoo serps now directly influence Google serps (due to the yahoo scrappers problem i mentioned).

How brilliant and easy was that for Yahoo to do?
Bringing google down with a very simple tactic (offering free feeds to webmaster). I am extremely impressed!.

Honestly, I don't see how google are going to recover and tackle this mess without first ditching the link evaluation algo to determine site quality based on incomming links.

We are the only ones to suffer the consequences though.

Shame on you Poogle.

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I dont think old and new come into this, although some older sites do get preferential treatment over newer more relevent sites imo, but thats another matter.

The whole idea of a search engine is to produce relevent results - thats it, plain and simple. Google are no longer doing this.

Google has added so much to the mix now that rather than create a tasty dish it has created a foul mess.

They need to get back to what they were once good at. Put the search request in - Get on topic results out!Thats why we all started using Google over Altavista.

Currently its about 12% on topic, The results are either non relevent or from poor directory sites or as i said earlier older sites with re-directs from spam doorway pages or non relevent sites that carry links to relevent ones.

Last Friday they had it almost right, i just dont get it now, but more than anything i cant understand why google engineers are not seeing this - that i dont get.

Any idiot can see these results are not right

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I find this all interesting, the sector I watch has no directories in it, no spammy sites, and no scrapers. The first one hundred sites are all informational content sites.

Maybe because I'm not in a money making sector?

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lol i see more spam sites that has higher rank than real content site. If you dont believe me check this out <snip> :) Its pretty easy to get 1 or 2 on this google update and i'm creating more spam sites now.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 2:45 pm (utc) on June 1, 2005]
[edit reason] please - no specific urls. thanks. [/edit]

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I gotta agree with sweet cognac.
No changes at all for me, maybe it is only in the highly fought and spammed keywords that are suffering?
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I gotta agree with sweet cognac.
No changes at all for me, maybe it is only in the highly fought and spammed keywords that are suffering?

Don't think so. One of my sites that got badly hit is an old (5-6 years old) site. Approx 1000 content pages. Very niche industry trading site (textile related) and has nothing to do with money keywords.

This site used to be an authority site in it's filed and used to come up for many industry trade related jargon words (very niche keywords). The site used to enjoy approx 2500 G referrals per day and it is now almost nil (comes up only for very obscure terms or keyphrases with double quotes). The site has gained approx 20,000 new scrapper links since the beginning of march and took a small hit already then. It completely disappeared after bourbon.

When i do a search for my domain name (which is very unique/distinctive i get 20,000 scrappers coming up with a link to my site while my site is no where to be seen.

The site is an outperformer on yahoo. Coming up number one for many of it's keywords and ended up linked form thousands of yahoo scrappers (scarppers targeting the textile industry keywords) as a result.

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So are any of you webmasters going to promote MSN and Yahoo now? Seems half this thread is anti-google (finally)!
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Every update the same thing and the same end result. Google gets stronger and life goes on. My sites never move much and I miss all the action once again. Google is here to stay, adapt and work to make your sites more Google friendly.
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Google is dead to me, I now call them Poogle (thanks max_mm).

Actually having a derogatory name like Poogle might help the word to spread on a wave of humor at the expense of Google.

I've been mostly using Yahoo for a month or two now, and I'm spreading the word where I can. Yahoo results look like those of Google when it was, you know, competent.

I can see all those PHDs coming up with ever more clever and intricate ways to judge relevance, and also making themselves look busy in the process so that they can keep their jobs.

For whatever reason, the SERPs are turd at the moment.

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how about this:

to all of you that admit to creating spam sites with the 'if you can't beat em join em' attitude.. (and I have seen quite a few these the last ten days).. you are PATHETIC!

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to all of you that admit to creating spam sites with the 'if you can't beat em join em' attitude.. (and I have seen quite a few these the last ten days).. you are PATHETIC!

Trying to keep up with the way poogle is re-organizing the web is PATHETIC alright. It leaves many webmasters with no other options really. That's if they want their online businesses to survive those weird algo updates. Unfortunately, 80% of joe surfers are still using poogle for their searches.

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Every update the same thing and the same end result

I think it's a little different. It seems to be hitting more quality content sites. I think in their need to fight spam Google has hit some sites that they didn't mean to hurt.

My big site is still as strong as ever but the smaller one is down in the serps. Not off the map like some have reported but enough that I am inclined to refrain from adding any quality material unless it improves. Some excellent people in my field have contributed articles to this site and I feel badly that their articles are no longer being found.

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I've been mostly using Yahoo for a month or two now, and I'm spreading the word where I can. Yahoo results look like those of Google when it was, you know, competent.
You must not search Yahoo! to much because it looks bad. Google and Yahoo! are looking more spamming after each update, but with TrustRank Google could turn things around.

So are any of you webmasters going to promote MSN and Yahoo now? Seems half this thread is anti-google (finally)!

I think most of you that are anti-Google are just the ones that lost your ranking! Why would anyone promote MSN search engine? It's way to easy to get number one on MSN with Spam. I tried it myself to see how good MSN was and the end result, my web site with nothing that a searcher would want to see is ranking number one for a keyword thousands search for each day. Why promote a search engine that can't get anything right or even close to it?
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"So are any of you webmasters going to promote MSN and Yahoo now? Seems half this thread is anti-google (finally)! "

Actually, I think Gigablast is kind of cute.

Seems to be a one man operation and goes down sometimes - maybe the guy will get some funding and be able to keep working on it.

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First of all I havent drank my morning coffee yet, so don't blame me. But I am seeing major changes in the index again, not to mention that google has removed their tracking code (which always give me the impression that these index would be the stable).

A site of mine have gone from #48 to #190 for a very competetive keyword. Another site dissapeared totally for my company name, but still found in the index if searched for mycompanyname.net

I hope it's just the lack of caffeine in my blood.

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>Well Im telling you my site as we type is coming back from having over half the pages to include the home page being grey-bared and out of the index to getting pr back and now these same pages are showing up in the index again, I would say "Its not over" wouldnt you? <

The everchanging serps and sites appearance and disappearance have been there since allegra update 3rd Feb 2005 reaching Bourbon update. A fellow member (Atticus) called it also "Yo-Yo" effect. See my post of 27th April 2005

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I guess what Iīm trying to say is that changes of your site position and back and forth movements on the serps donīt mean that Bourbon isnīt complet.
It just means that the unstable status of sites and serps after allegra continue through Bourbon and after Bourbon, unfortunately.

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#to all of you that admit to creating spam sites with the 'if you can't beat em join em' attitude.. (and I have seen quite a few these the last ten days).. you are PATHETIC! #
today I published 30.000 more spam,as long i make good money and create pages that google likes to be at the top ,you think i am pathetic?
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I can see purchase link still works. 3 websites of the same owner (different but similar content) ranking very well in some expensive keyword serp.

Does google filter already comes in?

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