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8:35 pm on May 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My whole site has a new cache date of May 25th. Maybe once these other sites around me get recached, I won't hold such an honorable top position. But at least Google has found my pages worthy to sit in the Search again.:) It seems strange to look at the stats and see Google in there, after 6 months of just seeing Yahoo and MSN referrals.

My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]

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BTW - still not seeing the crawl activity I would like.

In the range of 30-40% of my site listed.

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>Anyone else seeing this (or am i going crazy (which is possible)<

Many have been seeing this since allegra and they have already written tens and tens of posts describing the same.

What you see is nothing less than the magic of the rotating algos ;-)

[edited by: reseller at 3:50 pm (utc) on May 31, 2005]

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12 days and if you type my keywords "red blue" my site redblue.co.uk comes top in MSN and top in Yahoo and I can't find the ***** thing in google. It does not exist in the top 200 results.

This is not a spammy site and services a small niche with very relevant listings.

In conclusion Google is broken.

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Nope totally different.

Rotating algo theory (which I dont believe in ;)) means pages rank higher and lower on keyword searches. It does not mean that pages disappear - I mean disappear for a while and then come back (Disappear - as in search for the url string eg: www.domain.com/thispage.com and Google returns a result saying :-

Sorry, no information is available for the URL www.domain.com/thispage.html

If the URL is valid, try visiting that web page by clicking on the following link: www.domain.com/thispage.html

Find web pages that contain the term "www.domain.com/thispage.html"

EG - Google does not even know the page exists. (As if it has never been crawled)

EG. Google having problems holding on to crawled data (Well perhaps not problems - perhaps this is a new way of working - but you dont expect pages to disappear after such a short while)

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Guys, I don't think this www Vs non-www means anything. I just took the first page results of a search at G where I was 1st, all ten hits on the first page, and I ran them through the header check as the www and non www version. They all show code 200 as mine do. I was about to change my htaccess file regarding this, now I don't see the point.

[edited by: Clint at 4:16 pm (utc) on May 31, 2005]

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Whatever google has been doing over the last 24 hours, it is total garbage. In my sector, nothing is relevant from positions 5 thru 30...just "made for adsense" sites. Doing research on several projects in other subject areas and google is useless.

If it is rotating algos, then I guess if I ever use google again for searching information I need to find out the time of day when the best algo is being used.

I know we should wait until this update is over before we make any judgements, but this thing has been going on for almost 3 weeks. That is a long time. My only conclusion is that something has gone terribly wrong. Google is in crisis.

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Dayo_UK,

You are not going crazy this has been happening to my site for quite awhile now. I cannot figure out why google can't seem "to hold the cache".

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My new project...

An epic novel entitled, "The Rise and Fall of the Google Empire".

Publish it online and just for laughs put adsense on it.

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"It's not a technical glitch, otherwise I wouldn't still be first in Yahoo, and I would never have been #1 in Google to begin with."

This makes no sense, and probably is the heart of your problem.

"No one has a clue of what's going on."

You and many others have been told precisely the area of the problem you are facing, but you just ignore the comments, despite the fact that many come from peope who have experienced the exact same thing in previous updates.

Of course this won't explain everybody's problems, but the commonality in the complaints posted here generally points to the same old problems.

"Guys, I don't think this www Vs non-www means anything."

More the pity. Stop raging at the winds and fix the issue that has caused problems for thousands of others for more than a year.

<Some guy named Guido should come with webmasterworld registration who "requires" you to read previous threads before posting...>

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One of my sites keeps loosing pages, home page grey bared, then since last night been loosing pages seems like 1 by 1. And if you search for the pages (in google for where they use to rank)they are gone in the index.

So basicly half my site (the ones i can see page rank in the toolbar) is still in the index and the other half(grey bared in the toolbar) is out of the index.

To me its not hurting I have a tool that tells me exatly "who's on" the site currently and I see no drop, Im just getting more traffic from my Yahoo and MSN ranking.

On the other hand its fun to watch whatever their doing in the background.

It started off with Home Page vanishing, then 1 by 1 my other pages are vanishing. I believe it will come back, rather I hope. But this is not a trend I've seen before, with 1 page by 1 page vanishing from the index and getting grey bared. Although all grey bared pages have cache, pretty weird whats going on right now.......

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Holy crap!

I read the most recent couple of posts saying that things had turned to garbage in the past 24hrs etc, and thought 'it's been crap for awhile'.

I just took a look and it looks like there was a spam avalanche, or a spam tsunami - so much computer generated trash on so many search terms!

Wow Google, way to go 'sport'.

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spine...

maybe I should have qualified "garbage within the last 24 hours".

While PR was gone, the serps looked the best since bourbon began. Now we have stinker garbage than the garbage google has been serving up for us since bourbon began.

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I've seen periods over the past year where there is a sudden wave of spam overwhelming things, then it fades away, hope that happens here - this is the worst yet, just terrible.
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Loads of people are talking about Google being broken.

Suppose it is the case and there has been no admission of it publicly, why would a billion dollar baby go and admit the problem by running another update so soon to correct it.

I'm sitting tight, not changing anything and waiting for the next update.

Fingers crossed...

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google is dying..
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"google is dying...."

NOPE.

Many webmasters and mom-and-pop biz owners are dying.

Google is doing just fine - raking in the millions each and every day, and they'll continue to do so regardless of how bad their search results are.

'Joe Average Surfer' WILL continue to use Google (even if he's disappointed) because that's what he's been programmed to do.

In fact, 'Joe Average Surfer' will give up on finding what he's looking for, rather than go use another search engine like Yahoo or MSN ('IF' he even knows how to go to another engine).

Most of us here 'live' on the internet, but 'Joe Average Surfer' doesn't - he's still afraid of technology or 'pressing the wrong button', and will only do what little he is comfortable with.

Human nature....people resist change...

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If theres a lot of "Crap" in the Serps then most likely the Fat Lady hasn't even warmed up yet.

So thats good, not over yet, my site I disgussed before has been unchanged in the rankings for the past 1.5 years, so I doubt it will change, even though currently it has. Meaning when its finally done, I expect Ill be right back up there.

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LOL! Before I came in here I checked my one site again, grey bared, now has rank, so its still changing even as I type literally!
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Now more and more pages are becoming "un-grey-bared" as I type, like it said its funny to watch this process of googles....
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Over? Fat Lady?

The same 3 word query on multiple data centers:

Results:
1,920,000
2,080,000
1,480,000
1,870,000
2,180,000
1,390,000
1,890,000

Seem like there is still a little discrepancy.

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I'm seeing the PR bar working again here too.

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talking about Spam ....I took the advantage of this update and I published over 50.000 pages of Spam that ranks top 10 in my targeted KW's.,that google update rocks :)
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>If theres a lot of "Crap" in the Serps then most likely the Fat Lady hasn't even warmed up yet.<

We said exactly the same after allegra. The only difference was that we didnīt invite a fat lady to sing for us.

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And just like this Bourbon update there were a lot of fellow members who kept telling us that the update wasnīt completed and "we should sit tight, wait and see".

Trust me the fat lady has sung and left the building and we all have to live with the current serps till the arrival of the next "Minor shuffling" followed by a new update.

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I am seeing quite a lot of movement now on our 3 word "keyword" first for some time.

Our google.co.uk resolves to 64.233.161.147 and comes back as www.l.google.com (!)

Still think we have to wait until recached - see post #*$! for the theory ( forgotten as this thread is so long!)

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"'Joe Average Surfer' WILL continue to use Google (even if he's disappointed) because that's what he's been programmed to do."

I couldn't disagree more. G is tops because until recently they have delivered exceptionally good SERPs. If human "programming" were the sole reason for most folks using a particular SE, then everybody would still be using Yahoo (or AltaVista) and G would never have been invented.

G is broken. They've killed it for a few golden eggs. Joe Surfer may catch on later than pros such as us, but he will catch on.

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talking about Spam ....I took the advantage of this update and I published over 50.000 pages of Spam that ranks top 10

Yeah... Very Clever...

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Having just encountered this thread, and reading back over it, I wonder if some of the people who are having google issues could post links to google with the terms they are using?

It would add far more vailidity and interest instead of just taking peoples word for it.

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damn I can't edit my post.
We also may then be able to detect any pattern in the changes, if we had knowledge of the keywords and topic areas used.
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