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Google Update Bourbon Part 3


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8:35 pm on May 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My whole site has a new cache date of May 25th. Maybe once these other sites around me get recached, I won't hold such an honorable top position. But at least Google has found my pages worthy to sit in the Search again.:) It seems strange to look at the stats and see Google in there, after 6 months of just seeing Yahoo and MSN referrals.

My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]


11:07 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'd venture to guess that any time Google adjusts its algorithm in any way at all, there are casualties like Clint's. In an field as crowded and popular as that one, there are more than 100 affiliate sellers competing for the first couple of pages. They can't all win. Even the tiniest tweak in the algo is going to result in somebody getting shuffled down to the bottom and somebody else getting shuffled up to the top. That situation really IS zero-sum. A few folks win, and a few folks lose. The ones who lose can usually tinker with their site to get it back in the game again eventually. It's not perma-death, and for every distraught webmaster, there'll be an elated one.

(Not to minimize Clint's pain, mind you--I've no doubt it's an important matter to him, and someone here may still be able to figure out what to do to help him regain high SERPs, but that isn't a question of Google being broken, it's him trying to use SEO techniques to beat his competition. Very, very different matter.)

The much more serious problem where Google is concerned is when sites drop completely out of niches they used to FILL, leaving spam, trash, and tangentially related sites on top of a search because the relevant ones are missing. That's bad for *everybody* concerned, except maybe a spammer or two. But this update isn't finished yet; Google may yet get that problem sorted out by the time all's said and done.


11:09 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Best post I've seen ever!

Had me in stiches!

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11:17 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Okay thanks for your reassurance Confused Ellie. I'm just going to have to wait and see what happens, but it'd better not take too long to sort itself out.

It may be easy for some people to go back and get a 'normal' job, however I'm a student and I have a lack of time and energy for real work. I study loads, like to relax to reduce stress, get plenty of sleep, and develop my web coding / design skills. With a job paying relative pitance compared to adsense, I would be so stressed out and tired, with no time to enjoy life and no motivation to do anything. Take people who are less able than others for example, or people who have low confidence levels and aren't capable of interacting with others in a real workplace, who rely on AdSense. Suddenly something like this rubbish update comes along, and they find themselves with no income. It's really disheartening.


11:21 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Keep in mind it is just like a job and you CAN loose it.


11:23 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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11:31 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This is the first time I've actually been moved to post here, and unfortunatly It's not for a good reason. Japanese, could you please stop with the conspiracy theories?

Sorry, but talking about Google deliberatly taking websites which are 'too good' out of it's serps is just ridiculous.

Just cool down, and for the rest of you who've got hurt I feel your pain, but as with anything it is, unfortunatly, beyond your control. Google presumably knows what it's doing, the same as any major corporation. Now just hold onto that and don't start rocking backwards and forwards hugging your knees for a few weeks yet ;)


11:49 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Could it be that the reason we are intermittly seeing alot of scrapper directories and made for adsense scrappers,is that one way to flush them out is to tweak the algo to bring them to the forefront so they can be identified?

And hopefully eliminated.

Off page factors may play a part in specific situations, but as bourbon progresses IMO on page factors are playing a bigger part.

Think about it this way...

Put yourself in google's mind. We should all agree that for the past few months there has been rapid growth in scraper generated sites for the sole purpose of adsense. This must be the focus of bourbon...to eliminate this pollution.

Now to validate my point. We are seeing what must be a rotation in the algo. For a few hours the serps are relatively clean of scrappers or spam as some call them. Then they will dominate the serps...then back to clean and so forth.

During this process no telling how many honest publishers have been mis-identified as scrappers. I am surmising that this could be because of on page factors. Think back to your English Composition 101. One thing I have noticed with sites that have survived this update are the ones that are well written. As in the composition rules we learned in school. Main header stating the subject of the content. First paragraph summarizing what you are going to say and in what order...then the body following in order expounding on the main points of the first paragraph. Then in conclusion...restating in summary what you have just written. Even grammar may be one of the factors involved.

I know some of you will laugh at this post because it is not techincally oriented. However, if you think about it...the typical scrapper generated page reads like a 3rd grader wrote it. That is because the scrapper program is scrapping bits and pieces from high performing sites, then throwing it all together with little or no human editing.

It goes to follow that scrapper/spam sites I have examined have poorly formed html/css.

Maybe...just maybe, perfectly honest sites have been hurt by the update not because they are scrappers, but have certain attributes in common with real scrappers.


11:56 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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- About 90% of the pages which WERE dumped have this code on it. (i.e. some have been dumped for other reasons)
- NONE of the pages, which we checked, which were UNAFFECTED (kept their top 10 ranks) had it on them.

I noticed the opposite. Sites I removed the annoying space following H1, H2 etc. tags from improved in the SERPS while my site which fell in the SERPS has a more default H1 tag.

My sites that improved also have a ridiculous number of scraper links. Could these links actually be helping me and if so why would I be the only webmaster in the world benefitting?


11:57 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We will never know if my theory or anybody else's theory holds water until we can take a look at the websites of those who have been negatively affected by bourbon.

Who's going to start the new thread regarding my suggestion a few posts back?

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[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 11:19 am (utc) on June 5, 2005]

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