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8:35 pm on May 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My whole site has a new cache date of May 25th. Maybe once these other sites around me get recached, I won't hold such an honorable top position. But at least Google has found my pages worthy to sit in the Search again.:) It seems strange to look at the stats and see Google in there, after 6 months of just seeing Yahoo and MSN referrals.

My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.

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Some of my lovely results:

Before May 21st -- 5

Now:

64.233.161.105 -- 658
64.233.161.147 -- 775
64.233.171.99 -- 569
64.233.171.104 -- 568
64.233.171.105 -- 678
64.233.171.147 -- 817

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You mentioned in your post (msg#:422)
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>Bourbon includes something like 3.5 improvements in search quality, and I believe that only a couple are out so far. The 0.5 will go out in a day or so, and the last major change should roll out over the next week or so.<

Would you be kind to elaborate more about the nature of major improvements in search quality which have been implemented/completed so far?

Thanks!

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Another question for GG:

If we somehow manage to determine what it is that we have done to anger the mighty Google AND if it is our power to repair it*... how long will we continue to be penalized?

Assume that we are PR5 or PR6 sites that are completely crawled by Googlebot every day or two, as that seems to be the average case.

Are we better in a week? In a month? In the next major algorithmic shift?

* Inbound links are not in our control, including links from "bad neighborhoods" and 302 edirects.

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It is getting worse!
Check DC 64.233.171.147

bad?! WOW! it's great! My site is finally out of sandox! After 7 months of waiting... Still on page 4, but small moves... before it was not in results at all, since the day of its creation.

And you are saying there is no sandbox! Of course there is, no matter how you call it. My site didn't do anything wrong these 7 months rather than just being launched in December.

BillyS, hows's yours? ;)

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Links from an Internet Search Engine:
- Yahoo 1254
- Google 549

That petty much sums up my feelings of the moment...

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My google traffic has gone up a few 100%, thank you google :) Loving the new algo :)
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>My google traffic has gone up a few 100%, thank you google :) Loving the new algo :)<

Congrats! But since when?

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64.233.171.147

I agree, the results of this centre are not to bad. Certainly some improvements

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My traffic has gone up substantially across a range of subjects. Googles got rid of a load of junk including scapers and afilliates which has caused the real and original info sites to rise. Whatever they have done I cant complain but I do suspect that the majority of complainers need to take a careful look at their sites to see if they fall within the parameters of the classes of sites that Google is obviously seeking to diminish. Reading between the lines in the GG question thread is very informative and does I believe point the way. Inevitably there will be some co-lateral damage that isnt deserved because there always is but in the main I see very clean serps compared with only a few days ago.

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I have only noticed very minor changes over the last few days.

I am wondering if that 0.5 has been applied yet or not.

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Could 0.5 have referred to the migration of algoII across all the data centres as shortly after he announced it the migration began in earnest whereas prior to that algoI and algoII has been spread evenly and equally across the data centres. Seems strange to refer to it as 0.5 if it was an actual algo change.

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Mmm

I am still seeing more than 1 or even more than 2 sets of results.

Might be unique for the site I am tracking - but there are deffo more than 1 algo on the dcs.

IMO

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BillyS, hows's yours? ;)

No good on that DC, but thanks for asking. It'll happend (someday).

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>Could 0.5 have referred to the migration of algoII across all the data centres as shortly after he announced it the migration began in earnest whereas prior to that algoI and algoII has been spread evenly and equally across the data centres. Seems strange to refer to it as 0.5 if it was an actual algo change.<

Fact is that the fellow members who have suffered from Bourbon since its start are still suffering the same, with or without 0.5 "improvement".

And what worry me most is the rest of the 3.5 (which is one) that will be implemented next week, if the same tendency continue.

But lets wait, see and hope that things change to the better. That is all what we can do at present.

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I'm back to seeing 2 sets of results, but they seem to be the same ones from prior to the DC's alignment. Using "helleborine's spinning widget plans" as my company name, I'm either #141 or #152. Deep into the bowels of scraper SERPs.

Everything still looks fabulous in the allin's, which appear to be completely ignored.

Looking at "free spinning widget plans" where I previously held the #1 spot, I get:

#1 Page with links, amazon, advertisements, popunders, no information about widget plans, no widget plans to speak of.
#2 Indented entry of above site.
#3 Spinning widget software site. Barely relevant.
#4 Commercial site offering "plans" as an aside.
#5 A painfully incomplete and poorly described list of links.
#6 Spinning widget plan magazine.
#7 Commercial site offering very poor "plans" as an aside.
#8 Commercial site offering very poor "plans" as an aside.
#9 Commercial site offering very poor "plans" as an aside.
#10 Commercial site offering very poor "plans" as an aside.

Page 2 is really dodgy, we're already into the realm of "suggestion rank."

My site is completely devoted to spinning widget plans. It's nothing but. I LOOK FORWARD to the 2.0 improvements. I fear I will be disappointed.

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I have been very badly hit by this algo, however i can live with it. There have been algos which have seen my traffic go through the roof.

What ever the algo i have never posted just to gloat and thank google. Can i suggest when so many people are trying to post it would be far easier to find the useful information if the fools who only post to say how well they are doing would keep there big mouths shut.

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With all due respect, if the algo works for some people, it can be helpful for everyone to know.

Especially if some details are included, like... "I'm in a spammy area to begin with" - "it's not a competitive term" - "I'm getting a spike in referrals for 4-word keyphrases" etc.

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I totally agree heelobrine. I dont want to get into a row with anyone but there area lot of worried people on this forum who are fighting to keep there heads above water. They are serching for constructive help and comments such as the following help no one apart from the idiot that posted it.

"My google traffic has gone up a few 100%, thank you google :) Loving the new algo :)

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if I do site:onewebsite.com

the second result out of 4300 pages is a nonexistang page with a cache from Sep 29, 2004

unless site:domain doesnt rank pages, this just simply makes no sens and old cache pages is a persistant problem with googles results

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Iím seeing a big jump in Google referrals this morning, after losing nearly 50% of my traffic after Bourbon; I am now seeing roughly 30% of that traffic back from Google.

I havenít nailed it down to any specific data centers; it would appear to be from several of them. Although oddly enough Iím still stuck down on the third page for my main keyword, this traffic re-gain appears to be for two word keyword combos, whereas recently I was only getting them on three and four word combos.

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Did GoogleGuy post any recent comment since yesterday?
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what i now see in the UK is the addition of more suplemental results attaching to more sites. For example in one data centre my own site ranks 17 for one competitive search term but ranks 26 in another data centre.

On closer inspection all of the site results are the same but the centre where we rank 26 has duel listings for far more of the same sites listed in them.

IMO google should remove duel listing and put forward the most appropriate match.

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Helleborine has any member given your site the once over?

Just wondering what if any effects the site in your profile may be having on things...

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They are serching for constructive help and comments such as the following help no one apart from the idiot that posted it.

Yes, and let's get a filter for "Google wants to kill off mom-and-pop businesses" and "Google is corrupting its SERPs to sell more AdWords," too. (Maybe every update thread should be accompanied by a separate frustration thread where angry members can let off steam.)

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I don't know how many are aware of this, but AOL Search (and of course Netscape) is now using the #$@!% senseless google feed for results! So, I've also been TRASHED on AOL & Netscape for my once-1st-place hundreds of search phrases! Thanks again Google for bankruptcy & homelessness! Hopefully they'll catch wind of this and start using Yahoo's feed....or one of their own.

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GG said in another thread that it might be settled by New Orleans Conference!

Thats June 21st folks - until then we may be watching a moving target.

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GG said in another thread that it might be settled by New Orleans Conference!
Thats June 21st folks - until then we may be watching a moving target.

So what does "settled" mean? Back to making sense and the way they were, or "settled" into the quagmire of illogic in which it now finds itself?

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June 21 would be a month for this update. I don't know about you, but I can't afford to have my revenue trashed for a full month on hopes that it "might" recover.

This is too horrible, and taking far too long. Bye-bye Google, Bye-bye AdSense. Hello freedom!

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>>>Back to making sense and the way they were, or "settled" into the quagmire of illogic in which it now finds itself?

I would imagine settled in the way that DCs align but you still get fresh data and smaller changes when dcs move about. EG. Everflux.

That is really the time when it is possible to judge the quality of the serps.

Slightly surprised that G can go so long in a state of flux - it will be about a month on the dot. (well more if you include Allerga) (big flux not everflux:)).

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Thanks again Google for bankruptcy & homelessness! Hopefully they'll catch wind of this and start using Yahoo's feed....or one of their own.

That's a bit harsh.

You placed all your eggs in one basket - a basket you have no real control over.

I've had good established sites drop and it is always temporary.

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