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My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]
> I do much more internal linking on the larger site that is still doing well. That is the only thing I can think of.<
And it seems that internal linking is a very important factor, at present.
As I mentioned in a previous post, I thinks the more internal links the page contains the more "protected" and "Google respected" it is.
With a high number of internal links on a page, you can also list high number of outbound links (though maximum less than 100 and equal or less than the number of internal links) on a page without the page loosing its position on the serps. But of course, I canīt say that its a general rule ;-)
Folks, I think it's time for G to hang it up and put things back to how they were. I don't think there's much else WE Webmasters can humanly do. I thought about doing an urgent URL removal, but decided it'll probably just do more damage to their database than good at this point.
[edited by: MikeNoLastName at 7:24 am (utc) on May 30, 2005]
Interesting. As I recall, every page I dealt with in removing URLs involving my hijacked domain was cached within a week of that date. I thought it was just a coincidence because my www/non-www 301 was off at that time but maybe it is more sinister.
>It's indexed once as itself and once as the URL of the ancient page which was redirected to it over 3 years ago and has been ever since!<
Have you remembered to add the following meta tag to the ancient page:
<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOINDEX, FOLLOW">
Reseller,
The old page doesn't/hasn't existed since 2002. The cache showing up for the ancient page appears to be the current page in Sept 2004.
Since 2003 my .htaccess has included an entry like:
Redirect 301 ancient-page current-page
[edited by: MikeNoLastName at 7:32 am (utc) on May 30, 2005]
Its cache also showing
"26 Sep 2004 08:27:08 GMT."
I have removed the content of my own page to another new page, and kept the old hijacked page redirecting to the new page. Did that after trying all what I could to remove that cache, unsuccessfully.
deleted post - my call
[edited by: Slone at 7:37 am (utc) on May 30, 2005]
I found there were still a few backlinks to the ancient page and have changed them, so theoretically at some point between Sept and now the old page should have been spidered.
This update is far from over. Its too early to start with post mortems i.e. how many links out /adsense etc.
There are so many variables that no one is mentioning, that we simply can't.
Analyzing 56 Google DC's, we STILL see two different Algorithms in operation. And it's 50/50 Algo1/Algo2.
Algo2, on [64.233.163.104,...] ranks my site at the top, to similar positions where it's ranked in Y and M. I would say some penalty is relaxed on Algo2, possibly a link devaluation penalty (sandbox).
Most of the top 10 remain constant in both these Algo's with a specific kw, however one contains my site, one does not.
>Did that work to get it back ranking?<
Actually i created the new page for few days ago, and google hasnīt indexed the new page yet. Shall keep you posted once its indexed.
>Did you try the urgent URL remove on the old cache?<
Yes. Before creating the new page, I removed the ancient page using google removal tool successfully. But the hijacked page (with hijacker url) together with the old cache is still there.
>Did you try resubmitting the ancient page for indexing?<
No.
>Algo2, on [64.233.163.104,...] ranks my site at the top, to similar positions where it's ranked in Y and M. I would say some penalty is relaxed on Algo2, possibly a link devaluation penalty (sandbox). <
Can you give an example of a DC showing algo1 in action too?
Thanks.
[64.233.161.105...]
>Here you go Reseller:
[64.233.161.105<...]
FASCINATING!
I see around 4 different "serps groups" through out the DCs. You see 2 algos.
If everything is rotating, we end up with:
2 algos x 4 serps groups = 8 combinations
Well done google engineers!
Data Center's that have let sites out of the sandbox (algo2), could be fed into www1-www2-www3 every 1/8 searches. Therefore giving them a taste of the pie, but not a full slice.
>It's possibly that they rotate their Dc's to Feed www1-www2-www3.<
Very possible..my friend. Very possible!
May I call it "THE MAGIC of THE ROTATING ALGOS"?
THE MAGIC of THE ROTATING ALGOS"?
LOL!
How about:
"Rotating Algo Lottery" * you never know when your algo will be picked*
*chuckle*
I'm seeing irrelevant results for uncompetitive phrases but the results for competitive phrases look good.
Are any of you who are complaining about irrelevance looking at competitive phrases?
[edited by: Clint at 8:38 am (utc) on May 30, 2005]
>"Rotating Algo Lottery" * you never know when your algo will be picked* <
EXACTLY...
Several posts on this and other threads are confirming the theory..
Actually the fellow members have been describing the symptoms of the ROTATING ALGOS since allegra.
I just found a page which is now beating one of my pages in the SERPS.
The page:1. Doesn't have the keyword phrase in the page title.
2. Doesn't have the keyword phrase in the page filename.
3. Doesn't have the keyword phrase in the page text.
4. Doesn't contain one of the three words in the keyword phrase at all - anywhere.
5. Has 0 backlinks.
6. Is in Chinese.Sure Google... sure this is more "relevant" than a page which is all about that keyword phrase.
Now I'm convinced G really is broken.
I just discovered one of my pages which dropped drastically, is indexed TWICE in the index. Which would acccount for a duplicate penalty, and I would fully accept as my booboo, except...
It's indexed once as itself and once as the URL of the ancient page which was redirected to it (same domain, different file name) over 3 years ago and has been ever since! I found this by doing an allinurl: on the full address of the current page which was dumped. It's definitely a 301 in the .htaccess redirecting it. If you click on the listing in google it goes straight to the new page. Best of all... the cache on the ancient page listing...
[ dramatic pause]
... is dated: Sep 27, 2004!
Folks, I think it's time for G to hang it up and put things back to how they were. I don't think there's much else WE Webmasters can humanly do. I thought about doing an urgent URL removal, but decided it'll probably just do more damage to their database than good at this point.
Also, can you or anyone tell me if I should remove my parked/pointed domains? They are related domain names that when they are "clicked" they go to my main domain name and site and THEIR URL's appear in the address bar, not my main domain URL. (This is done in cPanel). I hate to do this since a couple of them are at least showing up in a search for my biz name.
Will Spencer,
I have a set of search results that would make everyone really sick but I'd both be breaking a promise and the no specifics policy of this site.It involves a set of indented search results that has the same page displayed in its two forms one over the other:
WWW.Result1.com/page.html
------ WWW.Result1.com/page.html
Result1.com/page.html
------ Result1.com/page.htmlI was doing a search using a text string taken from WWW.Result1.com/page.html
The first result said showing 1 of 4 yada
So I clicked the display ommitted results and was dumbfounded.
I then looked at the html making up the result page and the hrefs were the same for the two WWW.Result1.com pages and likewise for the Results1.com pages.
Talk about a duplicate content problem .
This is all I can say since I promised the affected party I wouldn't disclose the domain.
! We are hiring engineers for Google New York, Google Santa Monica, Google Kirkland, Google India (Bangalore and Hyderabad), Google Europe (Zurich and Dublin) and Google Japan
Looks like they need help judging from the exclamation point in front of it.
With all their out of place exclamations...
can this be true?
Maybe Dayo_UK, the man who called Bourbon on a friday :-)
I'd be more inclined to believe that the Bourbon algo has had undesired consequences, to an extent greater than anticipated. There is no way they set out to penalize sites like mine.
BTW, I came up first in the allin's last week, then for 48 hrs I came second. This morning I'm back at first. So - something is happening, maybe, what do I know?
>BTW, I came up first in the allin's last week, then for 48 hrs I came second. This morning I'm back at first. So - something is happening, maybe, what do I know?<
May I suggest you join us; The Disciples of The Rotating Algos :-)
I'm a already a disciple of "suggestion rank" where a spammy page that mentions my name in font size 1, and not even a link to boot, outranks my website by 150 positions in the SERPs.
You'd lose all faith that the "SERPs are cleaner" if you saw the page that comes first for my company name, especially if you know my site.
Well, I've now be DELETED for even that! That #@$!@% website now is also G-O-N-E in the search! Someone has GOT to find someway to STOP THIS INSANITY. As each hour passes, I become more and more "trashed into nothingness".
>Are they rotating algos, or different sets of data to which they apply the same algo?<
Mostly its done by applying different algos to different groups of DCs. That process generates different results at different periods of time. Only Google engineers (maybe including GG ;-)) know the exact parameters.
