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My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]
Google:
Yeah, instead let's give these results to spammers.
Doesn't matter. "Hijack" sounds sinister but it just means some other URL displays instead of the correct URL (the one with the content on it).
>Google:
Yeah, instead let's give these results to spammers.<
Depends on your definition of a spam site.
Pls stay with me for a moment and lets look at the following two cases with open minds ;-)
Lets assume:
- that the top 20 results on a specific serp are all occupied by resource sites which display 2-3 AdSense spots on each and every page of the sites.
In this case Google generates revenues in two ways; Adwords on the serps and AdSense on the top 20 listed sites.
- that the top 20 results on the same specific serp are all occupied by Business sites.
In this case Google generates revenues ONLY in one way; Adwords
Which of the two above cases meet the wishes of Google´s Stockholders most?
Thanks for listening!
i just find it difficult to believe that Google would ignore what put them on top. ie, the most relevant results
but i understand all the conspiracy theories out there. I just have faith in them keepin it real to what got them on top.
Rollo, the combination of 3 AdSense units (flag to apply a scraper filter?), >400 internal links (a hallmark of scrapers), and some keyword rich text might have done me in.Yes, I'd guess a site brimming with ads, 400 links each, and not much original content wouldn't be the sort of thing Google or users would find relevant. I'd say you should change your original content to garbage ratio dramatically, cut way, way, down on the links per page, and maybe focus on a couple well targeted ads per page only. Sounds like you might have a spam-o-ramma going on there... that'll do anyone in sooner or later.
I set it up that way for visitor navigation.
You're joking with me, right?
Which of the two above cases meet the wishes of Google´s Stockholders most?
Google is already a mature, experienced company with the long term success goals.
They, for sure, do not have the kind of take-the-money-and-run mentality.
Lets assume:
a) Getting $1000 a day for a period of few months until the users realise you don't provide quality they looked for and finally everything dry out
b) Getting $200 a day maintaining quality for indefinite period of time
Which of the two above cases would you choose?
Why would one of my search still provide a first page result and the rest be pretty much banished anywhere from page 6 to page 30?
Very strange.
Assume Rollo read your post wrong.
Did you have any luck asking on your hosts tech forum regarding 301 redirects from non-www to www?
>Lets assume:
a) Getting $1000 a day for a period of few months until the users realise you don't provide quality they looked for and finally everything dry out<
Starting the devil advocate for a moment :-)
Not if the resource sites provide you with the info and links to what you are searching for.
The only difference here is that you reach what you are looking for through pages wich display AdSense spots. I.e you reach your target in two clicks instead of one.
End of devil advocate.
Anybody else see the same?
Not for my sites :(
Your keyword we discussed the other days looks stable though :)
Ps. Put two O in the first keyword on that page. Might increase the click throughs - unless it is a delibrate typo ;)
[edited by: Dayo_UK at 8:23 pm (utc) on May 30, 2005]
Yet this makes no difference. In order to rank well you must provide what is necessary in google's eyes to rank well. It is just a sad truth that cannot be escaped.
>Not for my sites :( <
Don´t worry. The rotating algos shall bring them back again ;-)
> Put two O in the first keyword on that page. Might increase the click throughs - unless it is a delibrate typo ;)<
Thanks. I don´t dare to change anything now on the said keywords. Shall do the change just after hearing the fat lady singing this evening :-)
You know, if we didn't rank for *any* pages at all, I'd say fine, the domain was banned, and that's that.
But I still have at least two pages that we're in # 3 spot for the keyword phrase. Mind you, they're small, not searched often and don't make us anything. But there we are. I think we had as many as 100 top ten results at one point - I never really tracked it that closely.
You want to laugh? There are at least 5 scraper sites that point to our articles, and I've had more traffic from these than Google yesterday.
[edited by: MikeNoLastName at 9:48 pm (utc) on May 30, 2005]
this hapens only with IE, a search using firefox shows yahoo home page in SERPS at N1.
[edited by: enotalone at 10:53 pm (utc) on May 30, 2005]
Yes, I must have misunderstood... sorry about the spam-o-ramma comment. I got stuck on 400 links per page and couldn't get link farm out of my head. Was that right, per page or was that just 400 internal links?
If it's the former, I'd recommend breaking up the links into a number of smaller, site maps, properly optimized, by major topic and go from there.
What is the % of similar content, abeit original, on your pages? If it's too high, that could hurt as well.
My pages are similar in their text content, because the variable content is graphical in nature, ie, the "free widget plans" are graphics. I'm currently working on adding useless verbiage to 450 pages. It's a hobby, I guess. Some people do crosswords.
What could that means in terms of the progress/termination of this update?
MM
Weekend chosen as it was a holiday...
Im still seeing the same useless results in the UK.
Unless they are about to change the results to fall in line with data centre 64.233.163.104 where at least they return results in line with the search made, i dont see any hope for google.
Currently, it looks like the results i see they are happy with, its been this way since after midnight on Friday.
What a waste
Google is already a mature, experienced company with the long term success goals.
They, for sure, do not have the kind of take-the-money-and-run mentality.
You're joking, right? Google went public less than a year ago. They are still in diapers and prone to making many blunders, missteps and miscalculations. From where I sit, these rolling updates, being a pain in the behind, are a symptom of their teenaged mentality. Give them a year or so and they'll likely be just another failed dot-con-glom-er-ate.
Let me explain this one more time, for those who haven't adjusted the antennae on their tin foil hats:
Let's say you sell "world class blue widgets" and you ranked high in the serps prior to bourbon and you also carry adsense to bring in extra revenue from your solid traffic.
Now along comes joe surfer looking for "world class blue widgets" post-bourbon and your site is sitting around #76. He sees a lot of somewhat-related stuff but some very targeted adwords ads on the right.
CLICK, to one of your competitors. Google wins by not having to share the revenue with you, and by not having to adjust smart pricing for the adwrods advertiser.
You get nothing, Hoggle gets it all.
Further, you may not be happy with this arrangement and start paying for some advertising. Now Hoggle is not only happier, but fatter.
Got it? From a business standpoint it's called "maximizing revenue." Problem is, they'll eventually lose all credibility as a search engine. But then, they'll switch the algo again to accomodate that. Don't be so naive to think that this could not be happening, please.
Google is playing with some real heavyweights, notably Yahoo and MSN. In the long run, I think the older guys will eventually trash them into ruin.
As for the Bourbon Dance, yes, we're still dancing and I believe dancing may become a permanent condition. As it is, this is now Day 11. My four word very specific to my site search result has changed. I used to be #1, until bourbon. I've been hanging between 72-76 for the past nine days. Today, just now, #86. A new low! It's actually getting worse, for me, anyhow.
I suspect you're on the right track, trying to make your site look significantly different from a garbage site to an algorithm unable to see its images. Let us know if it works!
