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October 2002 Google Update

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liamgt

10:03 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Definately getting different results on backward links for yahoo. www showing 657k and www2 and www3 showing 654k. Results for CNN are also different. Looks like the real deal.

Liam

[edited by: liamgt at 10:06 am (utc) on Oct. 31, 2002]

djgreg

5:35 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Just saw 2 Websites with PR6 on www2 who link to 3 of my sites. The archived versions of these 2 sites also show the websites with those three links. That means that Google MUST have seen these links. But typing link:mysite.com does not show those 2 PR6 sites.
Really strange things are happening in GoogleLand

Lots0

6:17 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)



Has anyone else noticed that on some searches in www2 and www3 there are a lot of double results throughout the SERP?

Chris_R

6:19 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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that is normal - the double results - until things settle down - you see site a on page one, page two ....

Helpmebe1

6:23 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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djgreg.. I see the same.. when i just type in the domain name without the .com i find some of these sites with their link pointing to ours.. pr5 pr6 pages so they have to be counted by google .. i dunno... getting alittle tinsy worried... hopefully by weekends end though they show up for everyone... I assume your PR is fluctuating as well>?

Lots0

6:24 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)



you see site a on page one, page two ....

No thats not what I mean,
I mean there are double listings ie.

Mysite.com
Mysite.com

One right after another, scattered throughout the first page.

<added>It appears that Google is having a hard time with duplicate dynamic pages</added>

djgreg

7:15 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Helpmebe1:

yes that's right my PR is fluctuating and I found more links from PR5 + 6 sites which are not counted.
I hope this will change until settle down.
IF not, this update was not one of the best Google did.

HuhuFruFru

7:18 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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is the dance over, or why are there stable results on www,www2,www3?

HuhuFruFru

7:24 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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sorry, dance is not over, things just changed in the last minute. the whole system is really strange........ i wish i could be googleguy and understand everything what is going on here.

Helpmebe1

8:01 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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djgreg...if these links dont get counted..this is the worst update EVER! Seriously.. Ill be well lets say not a happy camper if they took away all links to my site.. dosent make sense though.. at all! Seriously... it cant be..but if it is.. me and ink are flying out to googleplex..wanna come?

djgreg

8:12 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I will be on your right side, wearing my superman costume ;)!
At first we have waited days and days that the update starts, and now we're stuck in the middle of it.
Really annoying

percentages

8:14 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I see hundreds of sites that have lost their back links for no good reason. Some are mine:( More are my clients competitors ;)

I don't mind this happening during the dance as long as it is corrected along the way.

BUT...Yahoo has been updated with this junk today. If the dance is not over why has Yahoo got the latest phase of a half cooked process?

Don't tell me the guys that control the adwords department also control when the results are made available to Yahoo!

Are Google trying to sabotage Yahoo? I sure hope Ink are still talking to Y ;)

djgreg

8:22 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Another strange thing I recognized:
link:www.mydomain.com Google says: "Results 1 - 10 from about 74" but at 44 I reach the end.
I don't expect Google to be drunk but why can't they count simple links? ;)

Helpmebe1

8:38 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Worddddddddd! haha... heading to www.twa.com packing bags.. well getting them ready

kindred1

8:39 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My new websites www2 and www3 results have justedmoved into the main google index in the last 2 hrs....I hope it lasts.

And I just wanted to thank everyone on Webmasterworld and the forum members for being so dang HELPFUL!
You guys have taught me so much.

HuhuFruFru

9:04 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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yes kindred1, that's true, I've learned a LOT here in the past weeks, people here are really helpful.... thank you very much!

GoogleGuy

9:08 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Yup, studmuffin, I would just say to be a little patient and wait a while longer.

kindred1

9:14 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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well well,after 1 hour of being in the main index it was gone,now its back within 10 minutes....lol
I guess i need to stop refreshing the page and get some work done...

[edited by: kindred1 at 9:51 pm (utc) on Nov. 1, 2002]

djgreg

9:27 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hey GoogleGuy,

would you be so kind and tell us something about PR0 penalties? How long do they last? Lifetime? Forever?
I think some people in this forum (incuding myself) would be very, very happy about some information on this issue, because it is not good to work on on a site, although it will never be un-penalized by google.

dauction

9:37 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Better yet Google guy..can you give us a list of what is a penalty and what isn't.. Hey .theres an idea! :laugh:

While you are at it can you give us a list of upcoming penalties?

JonnyWales

9:38 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I hear a lot when the update is going on that one should wait and not worry because things will settle down and everything will be hunky-dory in the end. Well my experience is wysiwyg; if you have a poor listing in www2/3, then that is what is going to move into www in the next couple of days.

Google owe us nothing, they change the algo because they want to. Play catch-up if you want to but they have quite a head start. I think I've just about finished with SEO and will wait until the algo evetually comes around fits my profile. I know that this is what GG and many others have said in a roundabout sort of way for ages now but it's finally struck home .... I'm off to the pub.

djgreg

9:38 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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OhOh think we should not want too much... ;)

JakeLD

9:39 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What is the difference between
www.google.com
www2.google.com
www3.google.com

[edited by: JakeLD at 11:20 pm (utc) on Nov. 1, 2002]

djgreg

9:43 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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On www2 and www3 you can see the update working. = Update Servers .
www is the normal index, where all users (excepted we crazy guys from this forum) search

Asandir

10:19 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Is the deep crawl still going? Or is it just indexing what it has crawled at the moment?

I have a new site I'm trying to get into Google. It's waiting for dmoz entry (no editor of category), and has very few links to the site (at the moment, the small amount of links to it found by Google are from ppc campaigns, eg about.com).

It got hit by the freshbot late Sept, and hasn't been hit since. I was hoping that it was going to deep crawl it with this update, but it hasn't hit our site yet.

Would the fact that someone else is submitting the site link (both root and deep, specific page submits) to the add_url page on Google hurt?

Any Fiest readers out there remember the SerpentWar saga? The bit where it's discussed that people praying to the gods created the gods? Well, the Google god can't be far off... :)

djgreg

10:31 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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asandir:
Which dmoz category do you want to add your site?

Do you have any backward linsk from other pages which are already in google? Then you should be added this update or maybe next update.

jtoddv

10:50 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Why do you guys get all steamed about results and other people come in and say the update is not over so watch your back? Ever since i have watched the update, I have only seen one case where www2 didn't display the same exact results at the beginning as they did in the end. And that one time was when my site actually jumped back into the top 10 all of the sudden on the last day. This occured about 4 months ago.

As far as I can tell, what you see on www2 at the beginning of the update is what you will see on www when the update is over. If you aren't on www2 now, then you have a microthread of a chance to worm your way back in, but 1 out of 10,000 says you won't!

biggles

10:56 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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- If your site is brand-new and didn't get picked up, sometimes it can take a few weeks. Make sure to submit your site on our add_url form.

Googleguy - Appreciate your advice please. I had a couple of new sites get picked up by Google mid-late Oct, however neither is appearing in WWW2 or WWW3 which I assume means they won't make the WWW cut. :( Both sites are clean and neither had PR assigned to them (greyed out, rather than PR0). Should I re-submit them using the add_url form?

Thanks

[edited by: biggles at 1:02 am (utc) on Nov. 2, 2002]

Birdman

11:03 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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From what I've seen, if you had an incoming link during the previous month's crawl, you're in. Am I wrong here?

Biggles: Unfortunately, I don't think you'll get in until next update:(
I'm pretty sure you need to be crawled during the deep crawl, which occurs right around the update.

steveb

11:11 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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djgreg, you said you didn't know why you got a penalty but also say you deliberately signed many guestbooks for PR. I don't get it. Those two phrases can't live together in the same sentence.

steveb

11:16 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Appears pages that were not deep crawled at the beginning of October but that got in the www index via everflux the past couple weeks aren't in www2, so they won't make the new index immediately. Interesting question is when they will everflux into the new www.

Presumably they will be picked up by the early November deep crawl and appear in www2 next month and then be permanently in the index.

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