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Liam
[edited by: liamgt at 10:06 am (utc) on Oct. 31, 2002]
NFFC may be sleeping, but I'm not. (That's one of the benefits of having an International Mod crew).
So let me take this moment to remind ALL members participating in this thread that the thread is about what is happening with the update. It is not about GoogleGuy, or any other single Google employee for that matter.
Stay on topic and treat all of our members with the same level of courtesy and respect that others have shown to you.
it's not for the clicks or hits, but it's cool if you walk in your own city and you see someone with a jacked with a big logo of yours.
[edited by: WebGuerrilla at 6:16 am (utc) on Nov. 1, 2002]
Sure, but you are a nice guy. :)
>Stay on topic and treat all of our members with the same
>level of courtesy and respect that others have shown to
>you.
You are right, thanks for your answer. Good night everybody!
Good links from good sites, descriptive titles and content content content.
Getting back on topic, The Contractor: a lot of things like backlinks, PageRank, and directory results can change a lot during the switchover. I wouldn't leap to any conclusions about those factors until the switchover is done.
europeforvisitors, that is the right approach for our automatic scoring. I was just commenting on one requested site from manually checking a few things...
ummm....OK...so did I, just walked in but I tell you before my addiction here I would've stayed at least till I met a new friendly face ;)
Cooments:
Thanks GG for your time today, I'm sure you helped ease a lot of confusion and it helped me a lot as well.
I had an EXCELLENT September - no worries here. Even without the Yahoo backlinks, it looks like I'll be sending out my 'success' invoices out next week. :)
As for falling in love with Google, I've been smitten since I read the press release about the funding by Kleiner and Sequoia back in Nov 98 and tried out Google Beta (been my primary engine since along with the 600 or so people I told about as well).
Questions:
Is RED the official color of Google?
- Two letters in the Google Logo
- Color of the Update button (thanks BeachBoy)
- Color of the shirts worn by all of those cute blonde GoogleGirls at the REAL GoogleDance at the GooglePlex during SES. (GG what is UP with THAT? Do they really all work there or did you bring them in for the occasion?)
OK I'm tired and going to bed now....
Nite all....
so, if a site is showing backward links on www but none on w2/w3 are you saying that this could change?
Despite how others might spin this as a PR propaganda, I think you are one great soul doing a delicate job quite well.
The refresh bot gave an advance looked at what we can expect on recovery, so not too concerned.
Only hope that recovery is on the next crawl and Googlebot doesn't skip any pages. Christmas will bite if needing to wait until January.
Could get lucky if the refresh bot keeps thing up there though, we'll see! :)
>Wouldn't it be more sensible to just discount links in guestbooks when calculating PageRank? Along with links in forum posts and profiles, for that matter?
Right. If this can get a site penalized, then all a competitor would have to to screw over their competition is pay some bored teenager to spend a weekend signing as many guestbooks as they can find with their competitor's URL. If Google is penalizing sites because of guestbook entries, which the above post suggests, it not only is possible for people to sabotage a competitor's site, it is actually trivial to do. After reading this thread, and word gets out, SEOs around the world are probably gonna make it a policy as part of their SEO job to make sure to sabotage competing sites by signing guestbooks. :(
If Google can identify guestbooks, then they should just diregard links from them, rather than penalizing sites. And, if this extends beyond guestbooks and applies to links in forum posts, please note that it is common practice by a lot of people to have a link to their website in *every* post made to a forum because of .sigs. There is one forum I frequent on the Internet where a link to my site appears in every post I make there because of it being in my .sig. People do add links to their sites in .sigs for reasons other than gaining some possible advantage in search engines. My Usenet .sig also has a link to my site, and that sure has nothing to do with search engines.
While I would seriously consider any job offer from the "corporate rulers at Google" to be a soulless propaganda instrument for them (sounds like my kinda job), I assure you that I don't work for Google now, and never have. There is no connection between me and Googleguy beyond the fact we both happen to post here.
those penalties are going on my nerves right now.
Since about 6 months I have a penalty on one of my sites.
It is NO porn site and has nothing to do with any commercial things. It was just a site about me. I have dropped all the content , cause I thought there is something in it which Google does not like, but the penalty remains. The only thing I did was useing some guestbooks, just because everybody does and I thought why not.
My it possible to take a look to the site and tell me why it is penalised so long. Or maybe is it a lifetime penalty?
?Are there lifetime penalties, by the way?
It's the site in my profile. ;) Would you please be so kind?
OK, good to hear that. If Google ever did start penalizing for this, I'd expect competitors and the malicious signing guestbooks with the sites of others would become common. I personally can't imagine why anyone with half a clue would bother with the effort of signing guestbooks to help their site in search engines. The huge number of entries in the typical guestbook would mean that your URL would get negligible PR boost because so many other URLs are also listed in that guestbook.
I also think its extremely helpful that Googleguy has been around this update to keep everything under control.
My advice to everyone is this:
1) Order a pair of "I'm feeling lucky" boxer shorts and latte mug.
2) Check the post everyday until they arrive.
3) When they do, make your self a big cup of coffee and strip naked.
4) Put the boxer shorts on your head, and sit down at your machine and begin to reoptimise your site, coffee close at hand.
5) Don't sleep until all 2000 pages of your site have been changed.
6 Go on a month long cruise around the Caribbean and ignore all calls from your boss.
P.S...I've found that just ordering the google mouse pad doesn't cut the mustard anymore
Of course it is right what you said, rfgdxm1. And im most cases the Guestbook sites are larger than 101k. And I think Google oly spiders sites which are smaller?
My understanding was that G would only INDEX the FIRST 101 kb of CODE. I could be WRONG though.;)
We changed our title on the index page at the beginning of the month to include THE most important 2 keywords for our field. Previously, our relatively new site would not have ranked high enough - these keywords are too competitive.
The title is "Keyword in Location", it was "Keyword2 Location". Before I thought about changing it, I had got some incoming links with the Keyword 2 Location anchor text.
Now we rank no 2 for the old title, previously no 8
for keyword in location now No.9
I think the keyword in the link text may be very important. Else how to explain a climb in the rankings when we don't have that title any more?
Whatever the reason, we're happy with the result!
Of course the anchor text is important. For Google, and for the users that see the anchor text. One of the reasons people got upset about the last index was that they felt that the anchor text in inbounds had been given less weight.
One of the arguments against too much weight on the anchor text is that people can use that to make Google look silly. Getting 1200 inbound links with "bunnies" in anchor text pointing to a page that is about "cell phones" made sure your page ranked well for bunnies. Probably still possible if you have quality links, but it's pointless and time consuming. :)
Checking on the page factors to determine the relationship between the anchor text and the page they point to is quite possible though and would keep Google from looking silly...
<edit>thinko</edit>
[edited by: digitalghost at 10:04 am (utc) on Nov. 1, 2002]
According to Googleguy, Google doesn't penalize for this. And now that I think a little more about this, there have got to be cases out there where someone has signed over 100 guestbooks, and didn't have search engines in mind at all. There are some people who really enjoy checking over lots of different personal sites. A significant percentage of these have guestbooks. If such a surfer was in the habit of signing every guestbook they came across, in a year surely they would have signed over 100. Thus penalizing for signing guestbooks would also punish the sites of innocent webmasters who just surf a lot of personal sites.
While I'm not a Google-smoocher, taking every chance to fawn all over them (shhh, don't tell GG):), "soulless propaganda instrument" is a bit harsh, don't ya think?
I mean, c'mon.
And, for that matter, I seriously think you overestimate our influence when you seem to suggest that the people at Google have some clandestine unit gauging the reaction at ww and they dispatch GG to placate the masses. :)
I didn't gain any ground this update, but I don't think the results are poor, either. Just gives me more motivation for next month, huh?
Take care,
Jenny
I launched my first ever website a couple of weeks ago. Google picked it up almost right away and it's ranked very well for my search terms since it's debut. But now when I check on www2 and www3 it's nowhere to be seen. Vanished! I know the update still has a way to go, but does this mean that I've got some waiting to do before I get a "proper" index?
Thanks
Your site probably got a "fresh crawl" which means that they indexed your site in a temporary index, this is not the "full crawl" as GoogleGuy sometimes refer to, so you will probably get a full crawl this time, and get your whole site indexed, and listed in the new update, and you might see some of your pages appear on www this month but that will be due to the "Fresh" listings.
[edited by: djgreg at 10:21 am (utc) on Nov. 1, 2002]
I think Google keeps a close ear to what is being said, here and elsewhere on the web, and responds quickly. So I think last months update was a response to some of the posts and articles in August, and a correction was made. After howls of "where did my site go" they backed off a bit. I call that good service.
The moral may be "be careful what you wish for, you may get it".
