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October 2002 Google Update

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liamgt

10:03 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Definately getting different results on backward links for yahoo. www showing 657k and www2 and www3 showing 654k. Results for CNN are also different. Looks like the real deal.

Liam

[edited by: liamgt at 10:06 am (utc) on Oct. 31, 2002]

Beachboy

11:49 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Webman,

People can speak anonymously here if they so choose, but they do need to leave out the X-rated language. I know Google's dominance can be scary, but I think most of us have a lot of respect for Google and are not much inclined to slam it when things go south.

We are spoiled spoiled spoiled. We have a search engine whose crawler indexes everything in sight, it updates like clockwork, it delivers generally highly relevant results, and we have ol' GoogleGuy who does a pretty great job of communication

Like anyone else, there are times I say anti-Google things, but on balance it's a great operation and truthfully I don't have much to bitch about. I mean, would I want to deal with AV or Ink dominance instead? No way. I've fallen in love twice. With the Mac in 1985, and with Google in 2000. :)

patrick

11:58 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Not really much change for me this time around... been like that for a few months. Time for me to take a step back and see what other efforts I can do to help my ranking out.

mbennie

12:17 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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This seems peculiar to me. www2 and www3 seem to have my old pages with new rankings. www has my new pages with the old rankings. Does this make sense?

Helpmebe1

12:22 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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ikbenhet1, thanks..much appreciated..and no..no the links arent showing..are yours? haha :)

Patrick...welcome aboard.. although I see your not to new here just on posting.. I recognize you from one of the "other" boards...stick around this place.. you will learn alot more then you would over ""their"

leef50

12:34 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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After all this waiting I have now been blessed with 102 backlinks and considerable changes in page rank on www2 and www3. Sure hope it lasts or gets better :p. The 2 and 3 keywords I am based on are super competative and im pleased that at best I am in #3 spot and at #30 for the 2 keywords searches. Compare this to mid Sept b4 doing any SEO our site was not in the top 1000 (didnt check past that) for any of our keywords. I'd like to thank everyone on this board and webmasterworld for providing excellent resources for googleising websites!

LeeF50

GoogleGuy

12:37 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Beachboy, I'm going to print out your last post and tape it up near my desk. While I'm at it, I'll write "Update = Red button (not blue button!)" on the piece of paper. :)

Beachboy

12:41 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hahahaha, GG, go for it, enjoy. :) :) :)

bobmark

12:46 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Write "update Google dns cache" on another piece of paper would you, Googleguy? :)

steveb

12:59 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy...

See mbennie message 275. I posted a similar comment in another thread:
[webmasterworld.com...]

I don't know how to say it clearly, but it seems some of the www2/www3 results are based on an older cache while the (pre-update) www ones could be based on a relatively fresh cache. I suppose even if the old cache is used the newer cache will get into fresh results in the next few days. It just has my head spinning a little to see my current page ranked #1 for a mismash of words search on www, but nowhere at all on www2/www3 because the mismash words don't appear in the old cache.

Go60Guy

1:01 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hey Googleguy. Would you kindly let the Google Gods know that I'm completely satisfied with this update, and that I would be very much appreciative if they would let the new SERPs migrate immediately to www. No need for delay. Please accept my thanks and good wishes.

Marcos

1:17 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Everything is fine for us now, and I guess it is for most of the people posting here.
But why exactly are we all so happy? Obviously, we did some more optimisation after last update. what do you think? Did Google reverse part of last month algo change, or did most of us improve thanks to the few tricks we may have apply?

Beachboy

1:20 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've experienced positioning improvement this time around, and I haven't done anything differently. Just more inbound links. Google loves inbound links. Get inbound links.

shady

1:23 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Beachboy

I understand you falling in love with Google in 2000 but falling in love with the Mac - YUK ;)

politicsandlabor

1:31 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I like what I see on www2 and www3.

Same old, same old on www.

Check the site in my profile (use the most obvious keywords- first name and last name) and see the difference in www and www2.

I still see no discernable "rhyme or reason" to the freshness date..? I've been posting a page a day (as per advice from this forum) sometimes the freshness date shows up. Sometimes it doesn't and I can't see a pattern.

So, how long does it take for changes to move from www2 to www? ( a mystic question, I know)

Marcos

1:34 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>I've experienced positioning improvement this time around,
>and I haven't done anything differently. Just more inbound
>links. Google loves inbound links. Get inbound links.

The sites we monitor may have about 2% more links now, but thatīs irrelevant. Last update they had 3 times more links than those on top, links containing the proper keyword in the anchor text.
To improve, we just did the spammer thing: repeated the keyword a number of times, using <h1>, and a lot more of stupid things, just like the spammers on top. Those sites are now number one again, but I donīt know exactly why.

john316

1:38 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Marcos,

Make sure to use a css file to hide the <H1> bit, otherwise it gets pretty ugly, but google loves that stuff.

Glad to hear you are doing good!

mahlon

1:38 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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GG, I spoke to soon. The spammy site is back, at least I know to mention Webmaster World now thx.

InetMarketer

1:42 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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If I have over 2000 incoming links, was a PR7, am now a PR1. Also, showing no incoming links in www2 and www3. Site appears no where in any searches for anything in any of the incoming link text. It also would appear that my whole IP has been demolished by Google. When I look at anyone else that hosts where I do, they show the same death penalty.

Thousands of sites are hosted on the same IP I am on. I would assume that we are all screwed for life now?

mahlon

1:45 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I am now noticing that the results are all the same (at this time) on all www's!

Marcos

1:46 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi john316, thanks a lot.

>Glad to hear you are doing good!

Problem is, it was to easy, anybody can do that. Those sites had hundreds of incoming links, but it seems to be good old <h1> style tricks what work now. If that is the case, next update we will have to compete against web pages 256k long with thousands of repeated keywords on it.

Marcos

1:48 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>I like what I see on www2 and www3.

You are doing good, politicsandlabor!
:)

InetMarketer

1:48 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Did anyone notice the post just a second ago, where the guy said his whole IP got banned, and he went from PR7 to PR1 with no incoming links? Oh wait, that was me. Anyone have any advice for said person?

john316

1:48 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>Thousands of sites are hosted on the same IP I am on. I would assume that we are all screwed for life now? <<

See how you are doing on FAST, they are not geared as much to the "research" market. Google is mainly for scientists and really smart people. Most shoppers will probably use FAST in the near future.

GoogleGuy

1:50 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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InetMarketer, not sure if you can put your site in your profile? politicsandlabor, it usually takes a few days for the switchover. Always a good excuse to take a long weekend. ;)

GoogleGuy

1:51 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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P.S. Sometimes it takes more than six minutes to get a reply, but you'll find that most people around here are happy to chime in with good advice.

john316

1:51 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>If that is the case, next update we will have to compete against web pages 256k long with thousands of repeated keywords on it.<<

Just don't put it in the footer, googleguy said they may consider that spam.

Marcos

1:52 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>GG, I spoke to soon. The spammy site is back, at least I
>know to mention Webmaster World now thx.

I reported a really, really blatant spammer, just to test Google response. I specificaly refered to GG and WW. The site is no longer number one, but it is one of the top 20. I canīt say if they did something about it or not.

john316

1:55 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think the real complaint department is for adwords customers, you may want to open an account and see how fast they reply.

InetMarketer

1:56 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Sorry about my anxiousness, I just really really really put a lot of work in to make google happy. Pretty site, good pictures, good info, very user friendly. I think I am actually a PR0 now. I also helped other people with their sites, and I am afraid we are all burnt now. I can't find anyone's site anywhere for anything. If I have sinned, I understand castration, but I don't think I did anything to go PR0, especially a whole IP, let me know if I am completely wrong.

What did I do wrong, and what should I do to fix it?

Marcos

1:58 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>Just don't put it in the footer, googleguy said they may
>consider that spam

Well, it IS spam. But it used to be overpowered by popular linking. If it is what is working now, that’s bad news for professional SEO/Webmasters types, anybody can do that, is way to eassy.

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