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Liam
[edited by: liamgt at 10:06 am (utc) on Oct. 31, 2002]
GoogleGuy you are doing an incredible job here answering people's questions ... thank you .
Let me know if you figure out what those numbers mean if they don't mean positions...
They all probably will be the same after a day or two...
And it kinda looks like you went on a guestbook signing binge?
PMJI, GoogleGuy, but you once said there's nothing a competitor can do to get a Webmaster in trouble with Google--so I hope Google isn't now penalizing excessive guestbook entries. (A number of months ago, some idiot spammed a zillion guestbooks with my URL and fictitious e-mail addresses at my domain--whether to mess me up with Google or drown me in spam, I couldn't say.)
Wouldn't it be more sensible to just discount links in guestbooks when calculating PageRank? Along with links in forum posts and profiles, for that matter?
If you have a chance, can you tell me why my site was dropped from the Google Index last month (and hasn't returned yet this update)? It used to get updated daily and was a PR6.
I added the site to my profile. If anyone (other than GoogleGuy) wants to stickymail me with any comments, please feel free.
And thanks in advance!
I thought googleguy was pretty funny too.
Which brings me to my next.. yeah.. very cool.. Googleguy has been pretty awesome today.. really genuinely interested it seems and helping as much as he can without divulging to much information.. he has answered some really important questions that I had today.. Thanks Googleguy.. my hat is off to you as well... ok.. off to do some more work hoping that the deep crawl hasnt come around yet.. I really hate not being able to access raw logs to the site...
Ohh ikb.. I like alltheweb... I really do... but today? Ughh.. I totally understand your headache.. how can anyone use that looking like that? Imagine a few drinks in ya and your going on the web..hey hun.. dont worry.. Ill look it up... ohh my.. zonk as she walks in to find you laid our with your head spinning..
helpmebe, yes, it needs to be corrected. what i just can't get is why do the sites linking to me do have backlinks?
this means G'bot has come to their site, crawled the site, and also g'bot read my url.
but no backlinks for me, but i hear GG talking about alt tags, rings a bell little bell, could that be why the backlinks aren't showing? have a little patience ikbenhet(me talking to me)
[edited by: ikbenhet1 at 4:21 am (utc) on Nov. 1, 2002]
I would assume so. My listings are OK, nothing to brag about, nothing to complain about either. What I'm worried about is that my competitors don't have more "lost" backlinks than I do, or else my current position will drop. Then again, if I have more lost backlinks, I'll move up. Ohh the drama.
I dont know why all vanished though? Especially I picked up some nice links this month... it has to work out.. it has to... I give it till Monday...
Mark.. Googleguy was a good guy today, right? He is here to see how they are doing.. plus I think he is just a good guy with a good heart who gets into this stuff as much as we do and helps when he can.. he wants his feedback on how their doing to... and we want his feedback.. but yeah.. he did take a few harsh comments today and deflected them pretty nice.. ya know what though.. patience..and keeping a calm demeanor is half of everything in life... who likes uptight load explosive people? not many.. of course certain things call for that behavior but you cant let things get to you.. it dosent do any good to freak out, does it?
Let's analyze this...
- For the simple keyword: "test"
- This site: "iqtest.com"
has been dropped from position 3 to position 5.
PRChecker analyzes the site against the keyword:
[toolset.org...]
It gives 28, 34 and 34 respectively for www, www2 and www3.
But the number of backlinks couldn't be changed that much during the dance. {This is only my guess}...
Let me know what you think guys...
[edited by: ikbenhet1 at 4:39 am (utc) on Nov. 1, 2002]
It is his job. Last update was a public relations disaster. They got wired, and Slashdot pointing out how bad they have became, and a number of regional sites talking about it, also (5 portals and 2 printed news papers at Spain, for example).
Now they have a surprisingly strong article at news.com, and many more to come. They stablished a panoptical system, punishing random web sites, randomising adwords oriented serps, and stepping way too many toes. They are now getting its reward, and Mr googleguy is just doing some damage content. That is no going to work, of course. Unless they change the polices, soon or later we are going to get them. My company has succeded in this new update. But we have to cheat to do it, and we don’t like it. We will continue advocating for a more responsible, unbiased, search engine, even if we have to replace it in the process.
[edited by: WebGuerrilla at 5:49 am (utc) on Nov. 1, 2002]
look at toefl.org for example, it's gone up from 2 to 1 for keyword "test". And the result (from PRChecker):
[toolset.org...]
is 20, 17, 17.
but the backlinks for toefl.org (from google):
[www3.google.com...]
6,730 and 6,790 and 6,790.
Different directions, at least...
I'll work on that later tonight... Gonna go to a spooky haunted house. Probably around the one GoogleGuy is gonna go... or maybe the same one... yoohaahaa ;)
[edited by: ahmad at 4:43 am (utc) on Nov. 1, 2002]
Well, so much for the update, good night everybody
:)
>he seems like a decent guy
He may, or he may not, but he is just playing a roll here: a demi-god, helping some, censoring others, representing the no-evil Google image. His ego, his personality, is not involved in this discussion at all. It is his job, and it is our money what we are talking here. Personally, I have no feelings, good or bad, about Mr GG. As far as I know, he may be a really nice boy, a corporate psychopath, a loving mother of six, or Sergei´s gay lover, but it makes no difference at all. He is Mr Google Public Relations person at this forum, the forum that a lot of reporters read. Period. Is he nice? Is he "bad"? Who cares, he is just acting as a soulless propaganda instrument here, that´s all.
>responsible for all the alleged sins of Google,
No, he is not. He’s only sin may have been answering with the "problem, what problem?" gambit, and not being able to tell his bosses about the mounting problem they have created.
> so I really don't feel inclined to target him for every
>gripe I ever had with Google.
Neither do I.
> I doubt if the corporate rulers at Google really lost a
>lot of sleep over the webmasterworld response to last
>month's update
I think the "corporate rulers at Google" awakened Mr googleguy that Saturday one month ago after the Wired report, with a "what the h*ll is going on at ww!" scream. That’s why he an Mr rfgdxm1 spend so much time being nice with us. That is why he is so involved here now.
>for every one here who loses serp someone else gains -
>some of them deservedly, some not,
Read de news.com article. We know now who deserve it, and who does not.
[edited by: Marcos at 5:28 am (utc) on Nov. 1, 2002]
I didnt see any general loss of credibility for Google amongst their users from the last update. In fact many thought they improved. A few negative articles in webmaster-focused media, but not in the mainstream press. Even here, those who were happy seemed to dominate the small minority who seemed larger because they were more vocal and used colorful language. This update - well the consensus seems to be more positive again.
Bobmark is right too. Webmasters are only a small part of their audience, and even amongst them the general feeling i got was far more positive than how you paint it above. Their end user is always their most important stakeholder.
PS. What is Wired?
You just don't get it. We, the ISP, the Webmasters, we ARE the Internet. Their audience? We are the building bricks of his foundation. Vocal and colourful? Sure, why not. The sheep may go silently to the slaughter house, we humans don’t. We will put a fight.
Don’t get confused. This update has been EXCELLENT for us. We have learned from past update how to play the new game. But we do understand what they are doing, and is not at all in our best interest in the long term. We have long memories, and the Adword update has a place on it.
I have other sites with the same results.
help would be appreciated.
northweb
You just don't get it. We, the ISP, the Webmasters, we ARE the Internet.
Really?
I would be surprised if you actually had any customers at all, google or not, if you extended that reasoning to your own business.
Are ISP's and Webmasters the only people who access the Internet? Could the vast majority of people who own sites get by on custom from other site owners only? (It sounds like you may represent an ISP, so if you take the narrow view of your interests only, I see how your argument seems sensible to you in your own world)
Are ISP's and Webmasters the only people who BUY things from the Internet
Are publishers the only people who buy books?
Are people who own shops the only ones who buy from shops?
Webmasters are a stakeholder in Google for sure, but surely their main stakeholder if their end-user customer.
Have I got it yet?
(PS. Your said goodnight several posts back. Shouldnt you be in bed like NFFC? :))
[edited by: chiyo at 5:57 am (utc) on Nov. 1, 2002]
Well said, Beachboy. My sentiments exactly.
For Halloween I went as...
Googleguy!
OK, so nobody got it. Stop laughing, I was trying really hard...
At least I get to keep the hat.
And the T-shirt that says "I'm feeling lucky"... worked!
(which is to say...
my rankings improved!)
[edited by: iconoclast at 5:56 am (utc) on Nov. 1, 2002]
edit reason: removed edited part.
[edited by: ikbenhet1 at 6:18 am (utc) on Nov. 1, 2002]
