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Update Florida - Nov 2003 Google Update

Looks like an Old Fashioned Dance Baby!

   
2:29 pm on Nov 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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www-in is showing some major shifting in all the serps I follow.. anyone else seeing this? These results were showing yesterday as well, but synced with the others late in the afternoon.

The results look really good.. hopefully this will reflect across all the datacenters soon. Seems like the spammier sites I compete against have moved down while the good honest pages have moved up.

3:02 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>For several sample searches, Inktomi is providing much better, more relevant searches. That is, for competitive search terms.

>When it comes to researching individuals - Googling a person, etc - then Google's results are more relevant.

This may be due to simple economics. People, including spammers, tend to focus mostly on Google. SEOs tend not to focus on Ink SERPs.

3:02 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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webmaster [at] google.com or the spam report form. Either way, use the keyword "floridaupdate" so we can pick out reports.

GG, Are there other keywords besides floridaupdate that attract your attention? ;)

I always report spammers (real spammers: cloaking/noframes/noscript/frameclipping/hiddenlinks etc.) via the spam report form, but none of my reports seem to be dealt with.

3:07 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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...pokes at chicken little....thought you didn't work on weekends? Now that we have determined the sky is falling...can I interest anyone in moon rocks at a discount?

Think like all the other dances...will relax, watch the race tomorrow and check on Monday.

3:42 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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do you guys think making h1 tags and h2 takes with a font size of 1 is spam or a "blackhat" site?
3:55 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think it devalues the h1 tag for all of us. Thanks for that...
3:55 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Wise words, Visi.. :)
3:59 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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do you guys think making h1 tags and h2 takes with a font size of 1 is spam or a "blackhat" site?

Hi monsterisp,
This code
<font size="1"><h1>ghfgdhdg</h1></font> doesnt reduces the size.
but this code <h1><font size="1"><ghfgdhdg</font></h1> does.

What I think is a good algo will take care of this, the innermost tag gets the credit. The google's algo is the best so can expect this and more.I dont think it will be consider as a spam but surely you will not get the complete credit for h1. If I am wrong please correct me.

Thanks
Aji

4:16 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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looks to me like sites with the using the key phrase to link back to the index page have damaged thier rankings for these targetted phrases...anyone seeing this?
4:34 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We keep a very detailed list of our keyword results... for all keywords that normal return a inner page (not index) results are changed very little. For keywords that return the index page we have take a major hit. Looks like backlinks are not being taken into account yet...Also seeing some obvious SPAM in the top 10 results..
4:43 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well, I finally got here after reading through this thread. Took about two hours - you guys can type faster than I can read.
4:56 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Guys.

First, looks like www-gv is producing normal (albeit slighly modified) results. Please confirm if you are seeing this too.

Second, also looks like google directory reverted back to what it was before its most recent update.

Just observing for now,
iamama

5:00 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My directory listing re-appeared. The index page is still out of the SERPS though. Inner pages rank the same as before for their targeted keywords. Just the index page is not ranking.

I think the reemergence of the directory link is a positive sign. I'm optimistic that things will sort themselves out. Give them some time to shuffle in all the data.

5:10 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am getting same results on gv as I am getting on www..
5:12 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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One thing that I do *not* see happening in this update is new directory tag integration that I was hoping for by now on two sites I have with fresh dmoz entries (Google did pick them up into their directory last month). Guess I will have to wait for the next phase...
5:15 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Same here amznVibe .. I had two new sites included into dmoz at least 2 months ago that still don't have the directory tags underneath our listing, hope it shows up soon..
5:20 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What exactly is www-gv? I have moved to page1 on "GV" from page2; however, on www I am MIA (index page). I have a mild understanding of www3, www2 but can someone give me the low down on www-ex, www-in etc. Thanks from a newbie.
5:22 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Those of you seeing changes in the Google Directory (it reverting to older data) are just seeing the -in datacenter version of the directory when it takes its turn as the default directory. When the default changes to the -ex datacenter or the others, you see the updated one.

This is unrelated to the current update... except I would guess that since it has been two weeks since the Directory did update that -in has been intentionally held back as a reserve. That would explain why it's serps seem so old and so different from the other datacenters at this point.

Showing Directory links in the serps and the little icon on the toolbar is also unrelated to any of the above. If in fact this is more like a traditional dance perhaps we will see the new links and toolbar icon (and updated pagerank) 3/4 or so of the way into the updated, a couple days from now.

5:30 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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steveb,

i agree that -in is different than the rest of the datacenters, however, all of the rest of the datacenters are showing the same results they were showing (for my industry) about 5-6 months ago for the top 20 or so results. (don't know about the rest of the results). i also don't remember the exact date, but it was before the last major update. anyway, everyone else's mileage may vary, but this is how my results are shaking out. i am going on the assumption that this was just phase one of the update and that once the rest of the algos / filters kick in, that i will see this revert to newer results. (fingers crossed).

5:30 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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From where I look it seems to be mainly a filter against what is seen as keyword stuffing in anchor text.

Things look fairly settled already, looks like it's going to be a grim however-many-weeks/months ahead.

While se's have every right to change how they rank sites it still is patently evident that viewing a site/page as being the number one relevant result for months or even years and then consigning it to oblivion is proof of a serious flaw, or perhaps of people trying to overmanage things.

6:00 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Anchor text still seems to be far and away the #1 most important thing, but apparently now it is not the *only* thing.
6:10 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hey, I gotta step away for a few hours. I'll check back before I go to bed..
6:15 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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To me it also looks like anchor text still rules, but w/ a mandatory anchor text diversity component built in that uses something similar to the Adwords' new broadmatch feature, with more diverse anchor text pages remaining and rising, and the repetitive anchor text ones way further down, or out altogether.

Its a good technology that google bought a while ago, and started using with Adwords several weeks ago, but still needs to iron out way too many quirks both in AdWords, and here (if that is what's going on).

6:28 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Regardless of any algo changes, there's still a big screwup here with missing pages. Very similar symptoms to last time with the missing index pages.

This time they even lost our directory listing! That, I just don't get. We're in DMOZ but dropped from the Google Directory?

*bangs head against desk*

6:32 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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i have had alot of my new pages indexed but some of the urls are just the actual url, dont have title,description etc.....i am assuming that is because google is in the middle of updating....for the last 4 days my site has been hit heavily by googlebot...
6:44 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"This time they even lost our directory listing! That, I just don't get. We're in DMOZ but dropped from the Google Directory? "

Does this not signal a ban?

6:55 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks very much "godaddy" for nothing. I had top 10 serps on all keywords I was aiming for and all pages indexed. Now half my pages are indexed and I'm nowhere to be found. I can only hope Xmas will be better.
7:06 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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do you guys think making h1 tags and h2 takes with a font size of 1 is spam or a "blackhat" site?

Are your human readers supposed to read that?
If not, - it's certainly SPAM.

Still there are some issues with headings. How about having headings the same font size as text but in a different colour (eg: h1 red, text black)?
This way, their function as a structuring element would not decrease but would Google be able to distinguish that from a spamming attempt?
Also, how about CSS?
Should having h1 150 percent of normal text count any more than 110 percent?
BTW, using special CSS classes, it should be very easy to make headings look exactly the same as the rest of the page(or even hide them altogether).
Seems to me that such filters would only catch the most clumsy spammers - along with the occasional innocent person.

Laurenz

7:13 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Does this not signal a ban?

If I was a younger, less experienced webmaster I might be worried about that. But Google doesn't ban sites for no reason. And there's absolutely no reason to ban mine. Plus, the subpages still show up fine. Just the index page is the issue, along with the directory listing.

7:17 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Im not at all worried yet. I was around during esmeralda.
Also, I have tested some of my SERPs, and the absolute crap that is coming up in the top 3 for this one SERP makes me laugh. I mean, it's complete garbage unrelated to the keyword phrase... and this wouldn't be debatable if I could show you the specifics.

This proves to me that Google has more data to bring in, and if they don't have more data, they have definitely made some mistakes that I know they'll fix in the updates to come. We must have faith in Google (until they IPO!) :)

7:18 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Was 8 out of 5.5M, now gone...
Was 15 out of 24M, now gone...

aaaahhhhhh!
this update was brutal.

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