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Update Florida - Nov 2003 Google Update

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2:29 pm on Nov 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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www-in is showing some major shifting in all the serps I follow.. anyone else seeing this? These results were showing yesterday as well, but synced with the others late in the afternoon.

The results look really good.. hopefully this will reflect across all the datacenters soon. Seems like the spammier sites I compete against have moved down while the good honest pages have moved up.

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>> Napoleon, I'm not seeing that, but if you send specifics I'll ask around <<

I've stickied a specific... but in reality there are stacks of them. Big sites' inner pages killing smaller more focused sites (which are often more specific to the search).

>> Unlike last time, however, GG is not confirming that more sites will "filter in" over the coming weeks <<

In an environment which is so unstable, throwaway sites will rule. What's the point in focusing and working hard on quality/depth and you can be blown away like this? There is none, get yer black hats on.

Good news for domain name sellers.

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www-in.google.com has some better results
5:55 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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nothing like having to look in the mirror and ask yourself:

~seriously, did my page *really* belong on top of that serp relative to other options for the searcher/user

~ a little self introspection this morning can take you further than trying to rationalize why your highly optimized PR6-is on page 3.

i am simply happy that we have a company in G that in lue of its on and off serp ppc success is willing to continue to invest in the organic search environment to make things better *for users*.

This morning, yINK is feeling really old.

5:56 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Ding ding ding! Not a bug.....an algo tweak.

Guess you weren't around for the last index page-missing bug. Sticky Napolean, he'll fill you in. ;)

5:57 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<quote>What about the rest of your pages Kaled? - SUrely your index page is the least important right? </quote>

i dont get that...my index pages are treated as a shop window for everythinbg that i offer..inner pages only show whats relavnt to the path the user has taken..as such my index pages are my most important pages since they offer things users may not have thought of before...

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That's going to be a hard wake-up call for a lot of people, Chicago. The people who urge to move to more blackhat and throwaway domains are running in the wrong direction. That's their right though.
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Most of my top 10 keywords have experienced a dramatic drop in rankings and we made sure that we did not use any tactics that are not allowed by google. It is also very disapointing to see a lot of sites ranking higher than me that are very far from relevant.
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>>SUrely your index page is the least important right?

In some industries the index page simply sells the most. Even though we build many pages like we're supposed to, sometimes the index remains the cash cow.

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Have noticed that although my pages have fallen through the floor for my two word key phrases (from No. 1 or 2), my site is still ranking well for three key word phrases. Anybody else seeing this?
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GG, can you confirm whether-

a) There has been a major algo change...

or

b) There are still lots of filters, etc to apply...

[edited by: subway at 6:04 pm (utc) on Nov. 15, 2003]

6:06 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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dawlish, I got plenty of results for that search?
6:06 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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great, another POS update }:[]
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Returns only 4 results! and none of which are that relevant.

Uhh, or 5M+!

6:10 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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dawlish: I got 4 results too. LOL.
6:11 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GG, if we're returning to a "traditional" update process, is there any chance we'll see a "traditional" deepcrawl in the next few days?

I'm wondering if should throw some pages online that I've been meaning to get around to...

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I get thousands of results for that query.

Let the dust settle folks. The fog of war will subside and the white hats will be the victors. :)

6:14 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Only four results?

I'm reminded of the joke about the open heart surgeon and the car mechanic.
Cutting to the quick, the car mechanic remarked how similar their jobs were, but that the heart surgeon got paid so much more.

The surgeon replied that open-heart surgery was a bit like changing the piston rings on a car engine without stopping the engine.

I suspect that updating an index and servicing queries at the same time is pretty similar...

Would you rather Google shut down while this was going on?

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6:15 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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For a fairly popular Anti-Spam related keyword 19 of the first 20 listings a "NEWS" sites!

Surely this update can't be settled yet. We really need to give it a day or two. Right now, things are looking U-G-L-Y.

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No. but if it does not sort itself out quick, I may need a heart surgeon!
6:16 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What is amazing is how fast this thread is moving... with a post every few seconds! :-)
6:20 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hey Macro, if you joined on July 31st, you should have seen some of the old updates--multiple threads going on, it was a little like a mosh pit. :) I'll ask around about the UK data..
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if this update isnt finished, then why my competitors ar3e still in top 5 and i'm buried?
6:21 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Who knows how long this update will last. When updates crash your rankings, it is a good time to cleanup/update websites rather thatn hitting the refresh button for keyword searches on Google. ;-)
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It's very worrying when so many webmaster feel there is a problem here and GG doesn't think there is anything out of the ordinary! - that's not a dig at you personally GG

I remember Dom/Esm - it took a bit of convincing but alot of the members of webmasterworld ended up being right that the quality of the SERPS was poor during that period - the fact that a lot of sites were restored high up the SERPS's after this period confirms this.

For sites to rank top 10 for years and then disappear completely! Come on - if these sites were so blackhat how did they last 2 years!

Something is not right at the moment, filters that may have been added seem inconsistent, big PR buyers still ranking well, and alot of clean sites vanished.

Has a real feel of somebody going round cracking nuts with a sledge hammer!

I don't expect this to change for a while, dom/esme took 2 months to sort out, after that fiasco I didn't think we would see a repeat from the mighty G.

Hope I'm wrong

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4 for me too.......im enjoying this...!
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yes, i see high PR sites in top 10s - what they do is buy expired domains with high PR and link their sites off of them.

or just interlink tonns of their sites and get pr6 or pr7 and secure top 10s }:[]

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"I don't expect this to change for a while, dom/esme took 2 months to sort out, after that fiasco I didn't think we would see a repeat from the mighty G. "

but each subsequent update has seen the time for sorting bugs/problems diminish...

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The 4 results problem is on -kr datacentre
6:30 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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UK Web Guy, so far I've seen several posts both on this forum and on the supporter's forum that say quality is better, including from a few people I've argued to high heaven with before. I've also seen quite a few people say that they've dropped in rankings. I'm happy to take specific reports--use the keyword floridaupdate in email to webmaster [at] google.com or via the spamreport web form. So I'm judging things from a lot of different areas. After we'll through the "sky is falling" stage of the update, I'll still be here looking for specifics, feedback, constructive suggestions, etc.
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It's very worrying when so many webmaster feel there is a problem here and GG doesn't think there is anything out of the ordinary!

This is always the case. And you usually ONLY hear from the people upset with things.

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