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Update Florida - Nov 2003 Google Update

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synergy

2:29 pm on Nov 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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www-in is showing some major shifting in all the serps I follow.. anyone else seeing this? These results were showing yesterday as well, but synced with the others late in the afternoon.

The results look really good.. hopefully this will reflect across all the datacenters soon. Seems like the spammier sites I compete against have moved down while the good honest pages have moved up.

Stefan

1:18 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No PR changes on our one site, but the PR updates don't run in sync with the updates like they did prior to Dominic/Esmerelda...

Interesting though, remember a day or two ago the strange problems with PR not showing on the toolbar at times? Maybe PR updates are about to change too.

I'm wondering if we'll see a regular deepcrawl in the next few days.

deanril

1:18 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google makes plenty on AdWords and way more being the best SE. I can't imagine anyone there saying, "Hey, let's foul the index so we can make more dough on AdWords". Furthermore, they lose revenue from AdSense publishers as these typically SEO'd sites take a hit if G goes after the white & grey stripe hats.

I'll never buy into the AdWords conspiracy theories; Google's too smart and too good at looking at the big picture. It's just an unattractive index from my subjective perspective.

Yeah you might be right, but there are obvious factors. Adwords went way way up with Dominic.

The biggest shopping day of the year is less then 2 weeks away, then theres the month after that, and the 2 weeks of clearance after that.

Adwords relate to selling items, not information on how to build your very own Free Widget.

So how convienient to have another Dominic (florida(Disaster)) right before the biggest Adwords fest of the year? Sure noone has any common sense at google?

Would 1-2 weeks give most internet stores enough time to consider using adwords? Woulkd after 1-2 weeks of sales down 75-95% make you use adwords?

Someone is smart.

[edited by: deanril at 1:20 am (utc) on Nov. 16, 2003]

steveb

1:19 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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-mc doesn't have a PR update.

Is it a coincidence that the last update happened on the 1st, and this one on the 15th?

Jon_King

1:23 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Consider this, the update is over a weekend so to reduce the effect on AdSense results?

LogicMan

1:24 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I read somewhere in this thread that the current status may be missing PR and backlinks, which are still to come. Based only on my site, this seems to make sense to me.

On several search terms that I have ranked 2 pages in top 100, I still do but which pages are shown are different. The ones currently showing are ones that I would consider to have better ON-PAGE items, ie Title, word density, etc. and the ones that used to show (and hopefully will in the future) are the ones that have better OFF-PAGE items, ie more back links, better anchor text, etc.

What about others?

whiterabbit

1:27 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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People, People, People...just calm down a moment....if your site was #1 for keyword : X and is now down @ pos. #100+ then consider updating, changing the keyword for yr site...

Get a grip...

Create content, update content ( on a regular basis (and I don't mean tri-monthly))

Give those people who are your intended visitors something new to gobble up...(if this is beyond you then get OFF THE WEB....)

Only fresh data and content will rule...Google (gigolo)...loves the new, hates the old...(in my opinion, two weeks)

Try It, You Might Like It

deanril

1:32 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have 3 site going currently.

1st been going for about 10 months it dropped a bit but basicly uneffected.

2nd site since Sep. gone from all search terms that have a classification in the google/dmoz .

3rd site just lanuched 3 weeks ago, un effected, reason is it ranks in search terms that dont have google/dmoz classifcation.

Lucky for me there are about 60% of my search terms that google/dmoz doesnt have a classification for, so Im about 80% un effected by this. I feel for the rest.... This is devestating!

GoogleGuy

1:35 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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steveb, I don't think -mc is in regular rotation yet. I wouldn't consider it important until it's been in regular rotation a while.

ronin

1:35 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Neither whould we forget that Google has an IPO pencilled in for February... it's not going to try anything 'experimental' this close to the new year while industry watchers are informing prospective shareholders of how much value the company brings to the marketplace.

I would say - my own present jitters notwithstanding - that despite the lopsidedness of the current serps, Google is about to unleash the most powerful and relevant search engine results the planet has ever seen.

I'm just trying to be optimistic...

deanril

1:37 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Woe- check out -EX funky stuff going on over there, might look hopeful for some who have disapeared.

whiterabbit

1:38 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As Bob Marley says:

Only the fittest of the fittest will survive:

Good luck

Miop

1:39 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As the day has gone on, I have noticed that in my industry (jewellery retail), most of the actual shops have dropped down, while the shopping malls and shopping link collections are all at the top.

shrirch

1:39 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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EX has the freshtags and a different number of pages in the index. Is there anything other than that which is different?

moltar

1:45 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Wow! Major drop in the index. I am talking 100s of places down after few month of solid top 10 ranking for most of the major and secondary keywords :

And my site is the most up to date and relevant in the industry. Even some crappy unrelevat sites rank better than me. No spam techniques used. Nothing dirty at all. Weird. Hope it will fix up quickly!

This look like serps from 4 month ago when my site was in them only for a few days.

Don't tell me that Google runs Win XP and they did a roll-back :)

markus007

1:45 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My site is showing partially in -cw

My site is now showing in -ex with a fresh tag but all DMOZ information is gone? No more title and category description for my site.

My site isn't ranking in any of the other data centers.

[edited by: markus007 at 1:55 am (utc) on Nov. 16, 2003]

LogicMan

1:51 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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EX is changing for me but still very questionable.

On my favorite term (black widget sales) my blackwidget.htm page has been #1 since I've been watching (other than during updates). Ealier it was my best result but had dropped over 500. Now I've got a page at #40 but it's not my normal page (blackwidget.htm) but is a sub-page (roundpretty-blackwidget.htm)

[edited by: LogicMan at 2:43 am (utc) on Nov. 16, 2003]

whiterabbit

1:58 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As far as I'm concerned, the Internet has become a media for selling my product...And with the employment of SEO gurus...(modern day variety)...then I seem to be doing 'alright'...GG...will you confirm that the Internet has become a 'Sellers Market'?

Please respond...

markus007

1:59 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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From what i've observed so far,

Sites who have droped from the serps, have either had a new DMOZ listing, or had an edit to an existing dmoz listing.

MrSpeed

2:01 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As far as I'm concerned, the Internet has become a media for selling my product...GG...will you confirm that the Internet has become a 'Sellers Market'?

Tell that to somebody looking for treatment options for deadly diseases.

TheDave

2:04 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Or someone looking for a printer driver. Improvements there, wd G :)

bzprod

2:08 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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From what i've observed so far,
Sites who have droped from the serps, have either had a new DMOZ listing, or had an edit to an existing dmoz listing.

I lost a PR7 DMOZ link and all the smaller ones that came along with it. Although I did lose a few places, it was only four or five.

It is surely different from industry to industry, site to site, etc. Not really something we can generalize.

Hmmm...(Thinking back to college days) I can not find a term that is opposite ecological fallacy.

Ecological fallacy - The mistake of assuming that where relationships are found among aggregate data, these relationships will also be found among individuals or households.

The opposite is also very true

Powdork

2:13 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sites who have droped from the serps, have either had a new DMOZ listing, or had an edit to an existing dmoz listing.

My site, previously #2 did lose its Google Directory listing with the last directory update. It's now at 178. The site previously at #1 is now below 300 and had no changes to its dmoz or Google directory listing. I don't think there is any relation.

markus007

2:15 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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bzprod i'm not talking about losing 5-10 positions, my site was ranked #1 for hundreds of keywords, on all the other data centers it vanished completely from those serps. This evening it sort of came back on cw, and now its back on -ex but with no DMOZ description / category in the SERPS on that datacenter. I've seen similar things happen with other dmoz listings.

mosley700

2:22 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think it's just another half-baked Google filter. They are always looking for ways to improve their relevancy, and have failed to find it again.

Reminds me of their premature implementation of the expired domain filter.

For several sample searches, Inktomi is providing much better, more relevant searches. That is, for competitive search terms.

When it comes to researching individuals - Googling a person, etc - then Google's results are more relevant.

scottiecla

2:22 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hmnn... no problems here. Top listings still in the top but I see a lot of "junk" sites gone beneath mine. I don't know if it has any bearing but the sites don't rely on reciprocal linking or any other linking schemes for their placement- just a lot of content and relevant inbound links.

From my point of view, the update looks good so far.

worker

2:26 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's clear that everyone needs to just scrap their existing sites and start over.

; )

...or maybe you could give it a day or two to settle before you go getting all crazy an stuff.

drewls

2:27 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My site, previously #2 did lose its Google Directory listing with the last directory update. It's now at 178. The site previously at #1 is now below 300 and had no changes to its dmoz or Google directory listing. I don't think there is any relation.

I noticed yesterday that while my DMOZ link was intact, my site had disappeared from the Google Directory. Now, it's out of the SERPS too.

I'm not losing any sleep over it though, it looks like a big cockup on their part. I'm not doing anything blackhat, so I'm pretty sure we'll be back in the index soon enough.

mosley700

2:27 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Top listings still in the top but I see a lot of "junk" sites gone beneath mine.

Not seeing your site in the top for any of the KWD's in the page titles.

johnnydequino

2:31 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Come back home page, come back =)

jd

JonB

2:57 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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only read last page but of this thread but results are horrible..my site nowhere to be found,my friends site too and we were all top 5 in results on many terms..my site is in odp,major category..

now big firms are dominating search results..i have read several thread on other forums with people beeing devastated with new update...as it shows NOW it is worst update (for us that is) since pr 0 penalty 2 years ago..

in www-in we are there though...

i hear people complaining abouttheir medical sites "gone down" - looking at wider picutre - is google tryingto crack down affiliate sites?

[edited by: JonB at 3:07 am (utc) on Nov. 16, 2003]

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