Update Florida - Nov 2003 Google Update

Looks like an Old Fashioned Dance Baby!

[synergy]

www-in is showing some major shifting in all the serps I follow.. anyone else seeing this? These results were showing yesterday as well, but synced with the others late in the afternoon.

The results look really good.. hopefully this will reflect across all the datacenters soon. Seems like the spammier sites I compete against have moved down while the good honest pages have moved up.

[dazzlindonna]

yes, the same for me. i am really hoping the results on IN move to the other datacenters as the upward move for two of my sites would be huge.

[bwelford]

I'm not seeing anything surprising for www-in. However most datacenters now show a count of 5.39 billion or more web pages for a search on "the". Such counts were shown up to October 2nd and the following day the counts dropped to 1.4 billion and were running at that level until last week. What does it mean? Beats me!

[DerekH]

I can only repeat what I posted in another thread yesterday - www-in is the only datacentre that's not got an up-to-date list of the pages in one of my sites ...

And I can only sign off again as I did before - we're not all seeing the same things!

And yes, I'm as confused as you'll be when you've read this in the light of the other comments in this thread.
DerekH

[UK_Web_Guy]

As i've already posted a few days back, my index page is missing from the -IN SERPS - a flashback to the dom/esme updates!

From that perspective I hope these are not the new SERPS - it has been like this on/off for the past few days now - I have seen datacentres change and this be the new index, quite quickly rolling out to the other DC's, but this is taking too long in my opinion for it to be an update.

In any case, I have seen some changes across all DC's in the past 48 hours which is in keeping with the rolling update - also -MC has completely different SERPS as well.

All DC's just don't seem to be in line like they used to, haven't for months.

I must say this can be confusing for the user, search one minute, search again 30 seconds later and get different SERPS!

[elklabone]

www-in looks like an old index to me. I sure hope it is.

[synergy]

My site has only been indexed in G for about 4 months now, but I'm showing as #1 for my target keyword. Could it be old mixed with new?

[AthlonInside]

I believe that's the new index. 2 weeks later, there will be PR and backlinks updates. It is some kind of cycle. They choose to updated the SERPs before they update the PRs and backlinks.

[synergy]

I believe that's the new index. 2 weeks later, there will be PR and backlinks updates. It is some kind of cycle. They choose to updated the SERPs before they update the PRs and backlinks.

I think I have to agree with this.. there are sites in the www-in results that I know for a fact are brand new. If it were an old index, they wouldn't be there (including my site and a few others I am associated with).

Please correct me if I'm wrong in my thinking.

[edited by: synergy at 5:03 pm (utc) on Nov. 14, 2003]

[fatpeter]

I'm seeing changes also on my keywords. Doesn't look like old results to me.

[synergy]

Something else interesting I'm seeing:

In the Google directory a new category my site was recently added to is now showing. As you know sites are ranked by PR in the directory. My site currently has a PR of 6, however in the directory it is showing my PR as 7!

I've never had a PR of 7 before so could this be a preview of updated PR in the coming weeks?

[DerekH]

synergy wrote

I think I have to agree with this.. there are sites in the www-in results that I know for a fact are brand new. If it were an old index, they wouldn't be there (including my site and a few others I am associated with).

Please correct me if I'm wrong in my thinking.

I've already written in this thread to say that the only datacentre with an out-of-date view on one of my sites is www-in.

My evidence and yours together surely are compatible with the concept (that I saw someone else floating), that "the" index is now a myth, and what is present at each datacentre is merely a mix of old and new pages that gradually settles on "new".

I can't see another hypothesis that would support one website having new pages on www-in, and another having new pages every except www-in.

If my hypothesis is correct, and it is an "if", I know, but if it's correct, then those who are trumpeting that their site is doing well in www-in had better watch out, because my new pages aren't in the index there yet <grin>

DerekH

[skyhighpn]

I am seeing a much more drastic and positive change on -mc with the terms I track than on -in. The resuts on -in are a scary turn in the wrong direction cosidering all the work i've put into SEO recently. I guess all we can do is wait.

[UK_Web_Guy]

I think if we start to see these SERPS on other DC's soon then it will be a sure sign that it is a new index.

Anyone else experiencing any index page problems on -in?

[Kirby]

As you know sites are ranked by PR in the directory. My site currently has a PR of 6, however in the directory it is showing my PR as 7!

A few days ago in the Google directory one of my site's PR dropped. The same site dropped from #3 to #6 on -in. The directory now shows the old higher PR, but -in still has me at #6. Dont know what it means, but it doesnt make me feel good...

[synergy]

If my hypothesis is correct, and it is an "if", I know, but if it's correct, then those who are trumpeting that their site is doing well in www-in had better watch out, because my new pages aren't in the index there yet

Uh oh.. looks like you will be taking over the #1 spot for every keyword out there!

/me runs

[DerekH]

synergy wrote in reply to my tongue in cheek comment

Uh oh.. looks like you will be taking over the #1 spot for every keyword out there!

Not *every* keyword, synergy.
I'm leaving plenty.

Indeed, I'm concentrating on one phrase, to be honest...

Just "left-handed chrome-plated metric-threaded water-resistant two-piece electrically-insulated gas-powered chocolate-flavoured lo-calorie 64-bit lifetime-guaranteed presentation-boxed oven-ready widget"

DerekH

[steveb]

Google has been basing new results on what looks like an "older" database each time they have updated recently. It's like they let the others run "fresher" but then propogate the more stable one across all datacenters eventually... then start the process again.

-in on the other hand might be a different kettle of fish. The quality is hideously bad in terms of anchor text spam sites.

As I mentioned in the other thread, for one of the searches I watch, one spammer has 72 of the top 100 results with his family of duplicate domains. (He "only" has 67 of the top 100 in other datacenters.) Also he manages to land three sites in the top 15 for my 18,000,000 keyword on -in, but can't crack the top 30 for the other datacenters (manages to get 90+ duplicate sites in the top 500 though).

[mcavill]

all settled down again for me - site dropped off from #8 to #20 on -in and #20 to #44 (ish) on my money term on the rest of the datacenters :(

oh well better than it was - just keep getting those links...

[davewray]

Synergy...My main page is also missing in the -in database. Troubling considering I'm FINALLY ranked 1st page for a keyword that has 19,000,000 results (for a lucrative keyphrase without quotes).....I'm screwed if -in ends up being in all datacenters.

[truth_speak]

www-in is definitely an old index, IMO. been watching these keywords closely. www-in is not the direction of things to come.

[superscript]

I can see some change on www-ex, very pleased to report that on this datacentre one of my blatantly spamming competitors appears to have been dropped - woohoo! May just be a coincidence, but anyone else see evidence of better spam filtering on some datacentres?

[aby786]

Hi, i'm seeing totally weird results. The ex data centre has the old index while google.com has a totally new index (well for the pages that i've looked at). The results page produces a list of a new top 10 websites with no old websites there! I'm still ranking highly for other keyword + main keyword but my bread and butter keyword + keyword has totally disappeared. Anybody else seeing this?

[mat]

Something big has changed, no doubt. I posted, but it'll still be in pre-mod.
www1, 2 and 3 are all new, except the new looks to be pretty darn old. Lots of the datacentres are carrying it too, and it started on www-gv.

Again, the new serps look to be from an old index, and the directory has reverted. If this is a new set of results, as opposed to a rollback, then mirror-merchants and keyword-in-link are deader 'n disco, but I suspect this is just a rollback, for whatever reason.

[aby786]

Search Engine Result Page and join the club. I have been at number 1 for a year and now i'm not even in the top 50 for my main keyword. I hope they go back to the old results soon!

[UK_Web_Guy]

What time is it in the US?

I would expect this thread to get rather busy when everyone over in the US is up out of bed - DC's looking very strange indeed - think we are heading for another turbulent period like the dom/esme days!

[ct2000]

looks like we are all in the same boat ...

I have 3 "phrases" that were all #1 ....now only 1 out of the 3 are .... the other two are not even in the top 3 pages of results ...

[sysdomatic]

Same thing over here .. disappeared for a number of results, this looks like an old school dance to me, and Google is still calculating; in the major keyword that I monitor, it seems like most of the major sites are nowhere to be found.

[Miop]

Interestingly my results have suffered in Ask Jeeves (UK) as well (not a paid listing). I never had a good ranking there but just lately I was on page 1. Now I've disappeared from there too.

Back to PPC for a while or I'll lost my xmas business...

[troi21]

i have been number one for my most important keyword for about three months now. I knew the bubble would burst. I am number 18 suddenly.