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Update Florida - Nov 2003 Google Update

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2:29 pm on Nov 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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www-in is showing some major shifting in all the serps I follow.. anyone else seeing this? These results were showing yesterday as well, but synced with the others late in the afternoon.

The results look really good.. hopefully this will reflect across all the datacenters soon. Seems like the spammier sites I compete against have moved down while the good honest pages have moved up.

2:06 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That's always been the case, dazzlindonna.
2:07 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I panicked and signed up to Overture to put more eggs in other baskets. Wish I could be certain which baskets I was putting them in, and I wish my major keyword wasn't 97p per click.
2:42 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Takagi your mail box is full.
Ill send the url in a little bit.
Thanks for your help Buddy
Dan
3:17 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just woke up, thought the results of our index page were bad last night, well now we are a few more pages down, from a solid #2 for the last 6 months to page 9 for our #1 keyword.
Interesting that our positon downgrade is ONLY for our index page AND only for our #1 keyword.. looks like some sort of filter, we are healily optimized (no spam,follow all of G rules) for the #1 keyboard. I still think it is going to come back in a few days... been here before with some of the major updates...
3:18 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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From a raw traffic perspective, I just had my best Saturday in terms of at least AdSense impressions since I started using it in July. Not a lot higher than my previous record, but more none the less.

AdSense CTR and $$$ is down a lot due to a recent change I made which targeting hasn't caught up well with yet...but I expected that. I won't know real results of other traffic monitization methods & sales for a few days.

I have a few "large" (in terms of pages) infocommerce sites.

3:46 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Greetings,

This has been a long treat. Everyone has some points. Regarding to messages most of people are not happy with SERP. We were complaining about sites which were making tricks to get a good SERP. Now this is the time for stoping most of it. According to me Florida has been successful at most of the points. I wonder how Google will stop people who sell links and the people who buy them to get a good place at SERP. I will wait and see.

Lets be wise and congratulate Google Team for their work..
Thanks GG not leaving us without your comments

Birdy

4:00 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Lasko,

in my eyes, Clara's personal page on holidays experiences in travel-destination is perfectly relevant to "holiday travel-destination" search. I would prefer results like this against hundreds of resellers and affiliates trying to sell me same thing.

Why not writing Clara a nice Email and asking for link :)

4:04 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> Why not writing Clara a nice Email and asking for link :)

just make sure the anchor text is off topic ;)

4:08 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"Interesting that our positon downgrade is ONLY for our index page AND only for our #1 keyword.. looks like some sort of filter, we are healily optimized (no spam,follow all of G rules) for the #1 keyboard. I still think it is going to come back in a few days... been here before with some of the major updates..."

At least on my site, the index page appears to have been blown off the face of Google due to high KWD. I have three "two-word" key phrases, but heavily optimize for only two out of the three. The remaining KW is where it always was ans when I search on that KW my index page ranks near the top of the first page. Now, my KWD on the two problematic keywords is around 5%-9% depending on the tool being used. On the other hand, the KW that appears fine is only about 1% or so.

Since things are no better for me today, I figured I would back off off on KWD and see what happens over the course of the next month or so. Of course, YMMV.

4:14 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's obvius!

Google directory description is missing for some index page in some search strings. But search strings with major keywords for that site.

4:20 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"just make sure the anchor text is off topic ;)"

Are you referring to linked anchor text pointing to a location within one's own site? Or, do you mean even inbound, off-site links where we have no control? Me thinks you mean the former.

4:20 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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All sites that were created after Dominic have been absolutely crushed, while older sites seem to have done fine.

I have a new site that was just indexed a week or so ago and the rankings are the same as pre-Florida.

4:21 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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in my eyes, Clara's personal page on holidays experiences in travel-destination is perfectly relevant to "holiday travel-destination" search. I would prefer results like this against hundreds of resellers and affiliates trying to sell me same thing.

Better still i will open an account with Clara :)

I understand your point however most of these pages have bad design, not much content and nothing much of interest, not unless you want to know what they did the night before last etc.

Many good quality guides, tourist information, and holiday accommodation sites have dropped from 1st page to 20th page most of mine are not bad. But some have had a big thump.

Some of these sites offer really good professional advice, maps etc which home made clara sites don't provide.

So Googles results may return relative results but the actual content is bad. Thier is a lot of junk out their and Googles needs to concentrate on returning not just relative results but good quality sites also.

How can a 1 page site out rank a site with over 300 pages of pure content and no spamming techniques.

The whole thing does not add up.

4:24 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)



just make sure the anchor text is off topic

Seriously everyone - is there any evidence that good anchor text is somehow detrimental in Update Filey (North Yorkshire) - it sounds a little crazy to me!

Can anyone enlighten - what's the theory? That maybe Google calculates donor site relevance rather than giving weight to link text? This would be extremely problematic -the relevance of subjects is rarely obvious and I would have thought almost impossible to put into an algo. The alternative would be to remove the importance of anchor text altogether, which seems retrograde.

[edited by: superscript at 4:28 pm (utc) on Nov. 16, 2003]

4:24 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hello All,

I'm I one of the few that is happy about the update? My listings were good before, and now their even better. Of course I optimized all of my pages with no tricks and tried to stay within the rules. I was tired of being beaten by websites that were clearly spaming pages, when I was following the guild lines. As I said, I was listed good before, and now I will reap the rewards!

4:28 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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friendly reminder:

most data should be incorporated within 3-4 days

GoogleGuy, 22 hours ago [webmasterworld.com]

4:34 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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i was only kidding about the anchor text - i'm just going to put a chillout album and wait...
4:34 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<Seriously everyone - is there any evidence that good anchor text is somehow detrimental>

ALL evidence points to this.

4:37 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)



Hi mcavill - apologies, although I used your quote I fully understand it was tongue in cheek. But there's been much talk of this.

Mfishy

all the evidence points to this

Could you expand? What evidence?

[edited by: superscript at 4:39 pm (utc) on Nov. 16, 2003]

4:38 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"most data should be incorporated within 3-4 days "

so why does he want spam/quality reports now?..makes me wonder....

4:39 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>good anchor text is somehow detrimental
>ALL evidence points to this.

Nope.

mfishy, i'll keep holding against your ALL claims as long as i see exceptions. :)

4:43 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>so why does he want spam/quality reports now

Now, they still can change and tweak ... a few days later and the thing is really public. Heck, didn't ya notice that Google never ever ran a update without our nod? :)

[edit reason: ya, superscript, it's nod not nob]

[edited by: Yidaki at 4:49 pm (utc) on Nov. 16, 2003]

4:43 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)



ref: detrimental anchor text:

the answer clearly lies somewhere between Yidaki's

Nope

and Mfishy's

ALL evidence points to this

I'm afraid with views diverse as this, it looks like pure speculation in the middle of an update!

4:44 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Our website sells widgets. We held a solid position of number 2 over the last year (with exception of flux during updates). We were in a #11 spot yesterday. Today we are up to number 10. Our competitors who ranked in the top 5 with us are buried down on the 5th page or lower.

The one thing I note is that there are a lot of sites selling the same widgets on Bizrate.com that are now in the top two pages for search terms related to our widgets.

4:45 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>I'm afraid with views diverse as this, it looks like
>pure speculation in the middle of an update!

HA! You got it! :)

4:46 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<Seriously everyone - is there any evidence that good anchor text is somehow detrimental>
ALL evidence points to this.

Sorry mfishy, with due respect (I know you know your stuff) but that is simply untrue.

Perhaps you should define the razor sharp line between "good" and "unnatural" - then I think I could live with your statement.

TJ

4:46 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)



Google never ever ran a update without our nob?

er..? ;)

[edited by: superscript at 4:53 pm (utc) on Nov. 16, 2003]

4:52 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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superscript, this one is for you :):

Google never ever ran a update without our nod

learned this new word nod yesterday from my knee capper buddy here at WebmasterWorld. lol.

4:54 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well well well... we are all talking as if the current serps are the final. Is the update over? Should we start take action or within the next few days things will change?

Mohamed

4:56 pm on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)



Don't change anything - give it a week. If you make changes how will you know if they had any effect?

Think fast - act slow.

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