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Update Florida - Nov 2003 Google Update

Looks like an Old Fashioned Dance Baby!

     

synergy

2:29 pm on Nov 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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www-in is showing some major shifting in all the serps I follow.. anyone else seeing this? These results were showing yesterday as well, but synced with the others late in the afternoon.

The results look really good.. hopefully this will reflect across all the datacenters soon. Seems like the spammier sites I compete against have moved down while the good honest pages have moved up.

lasko

6:57 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes I see it!

This is really strange, the results in the main index are also not right I am mean most sites are first with

wwWebmasterWorldebsite.com/dir/dir/page.htm

instead of the index.htm page

Whats happend to the Directory guys?

Oh no :(

mil2k

6:57 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think this update should happen over a slightly shorter timeframe, so most data should be incorporated within 3-4 days I would guess

Thanks for the information :)

dazzlindonna

6:58 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ah yes, this is what we have been waiting for...

From GG:

I think this update should happen over a slightly shorter timeframe, so most data should be incorporated within 3-4 days I would guess.

now i can go watch football. :-)

rfgdxm1

7:00 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Okay, it seems like we're well into the "sky is falling, imminent death of Google predicted" stage.

Oh no, is this true?! So far, my sites are doing well in Google. Does this mean I'll get creamed later today? ;)

Napoleon

7:02 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)



>> Napoleon
Are you talking about PR0? <<

No. It;s just a search in directory is nothing like it used to be. It seems to be the same as the main Google search now.

Very strange.

>> so most data should be incorporated within 3-4 days I would guess <<

I wouldn't depend on significant changes. I think the changes here (falling key term index pages at the expense of big site inner pages) are more fundamental.

PhilC

7:03 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Napolean, I noticed the directory search results returning normal search results days ago - maybe close to a week ago. Mel has been seeing odd things with those results too - such as changing on refresh.

ogletree

7:05 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have done some testing and it looks like lists of links are not completly worthless or at least don't hurt you. That is what I thought at first. What does seem to be the case is same class C crosslinking. I don't think it is a ban as much as it had some value before and now it does not.

ectect

7:06 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It does appear that our main sites, where content has always been the main area of improvement and work (rather than reciprocal links) are doing very well - seems good to me but maybe too early to get the champagne out.

PhilC

7:08 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just had a horrible thought. What if what we are seeing is the result of Google applying a 'localrank' algo and these results are here to stay? But it's a horrible thought ;)

Mel

7:16 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We have been told that it will be 3 or 4 days before we see the end of the Florida update and I have been noticing that the -in datacenter has been showing different results for two days and the directory has been a bit wonky for two days also.

I would hazard a guess that this is a major change but I don't think we can see more than a hazy outline of the final results right now.

I think I'll go anethesize myself and try to sleep through the next couple of days, otherwise I'll sit here all day and night trying to figure out Googles next move andwhat GGs cryptic comments mean. :-)

PhilC

7:17 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GG's cryptic comments are easy to interpret - they mean, "I ain't gonna tell you nuffin!" ;)

dirkz

7:20 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Something strange happening at one of my sites:

Googlebot crawls pages that I put online 4h ago, in some kind of deep-crawl rage.
This (4h!) has never happened before for this site.

Anyone else noticing sudden deep-crawls?

mrbrad

7:24 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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These SERPS of Florida are really strange.

My site shows up on the 2nd AND 3rd page of one keyword!

Watching Google dance like this is more exciting than ... :)

canuck

7:24 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Seeing some very strange results for allinanchor in the -cw data center.

Searches that usually would produce 1000s have no results or very few... the dance continues!

oliphaunt

7:24 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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just looked on google.com and most of my sites lost heavily on rankings, but some gained, so I have to admit, Im a bit puzzled at the moment, as what to do and what to expect.

dirkz

7:26 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So which DC is the one to bring the newest results do y'all think?

plasma

7:30 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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no big changes in german language,

Ack
No changes in the SERPs for my german sites.

BUT e.g. -mc has a _very_ old backlinks for me, i.e. links removed more than a month ago are schowing up again.

dirkz

7:30 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm puzzled. Does this dance mean that Google is back to regular Dances instead of the constant update?

Robino

7:31 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The hipocrasy and self justification in the SEO world is most amusing

Don't forget outright denial!

pchristensen

7:36 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I may be way off here, but some of the poor results seem to be corrolated back to the Google/ODP directory...

On my end, the Google directory has now reverted back to the old data from last April. At least three sites I know of in my relevant category that are goners as of this morning are not in the Google directory as of today (but did finally show up two weeks ago when the Google directory *seemed* to finally update.) A possible connection here?

Macro

7:36 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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After some checking it seems that we are doing OK in the new algo :-)

But index pages from our sites seem to be missing. Hmm. Perhaps we need to wait out the 3-4 days.

killipso

7:36 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I wrote back a few pages ago my keyword pages have been replaced in this order:

1.) message board spam [widget company A ]

2.) message board spam [widget company A]

3.) 1 page website with 10 crossed keyword links at the bottom going to 10 other 1 page sites. [widget company B]

4.) widget company B same thing different domain 1 page site

5.) widget company B same thing different domain 1 page site

6.) widget company B same thing different domain 1 page site

All black hat all 1 thru 6.
My site is gone... I had 100 pages of original content and articles. I just got off phone yesterday with a major magazine that called and did a phone interview with me about my site and asking to use content in their next article.
Kinda hard to remain positive and not Black Hat when you play by the rules bust your butt and end up losing. Can anyone explain how spam and these people are 1 thru 6? Google guy are you out there?

canuck

7:37 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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canuck: In several SERPs I show up in the top-10 for allinanchor / allintext / allintitle, yet am nowhere to be found in the top 250+ results.

skipfactor: Bingo, bet it's the index & it's less than a year old. Oh well, Google fixed it before, they'll fix it again.

It is the index page, but the site is 2-3 years old... I'll worry in 2-3 days if the index page doesn't make a showing by then.

Must sleep and fight the urge to hit refresh-refresh-refresh...!

johnnydequino

7:38 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Besides my home page missing, I would have to say I think this is the best update ever. Even though I have gone down in the SERPS, I noticed whoever was cheating, are gone. Whoever was cloaking, using hidden text, gone.

I would love to get my index page back where it belongs, and when I do, I am going to kick some *ss!

jd

LogicMan

7:38 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> I'm puzzled. Does this dance mean that Google is back to regular Dances instead of the constant update?

Only Google and Time can tell. I doubt Google will.
(Google Guy want to prove me wrong and tell us?) So we can only wait for time.

BUT I doubt we're back to monthly updates. Google probably has implemented a new item that required a 'ground up' approach and then we'll be back to constant updates until the next item that requires a 'ground up' to get started.

dirkz

7:39 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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killipso, welcome to WebmasterWorld :)

As GG said, expect the SERPs to continue to change for the next days. After that you can get negative (or positive again).

At the moment I think it's pointless.

TravelMan

7:40 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>I think this update should happen over a slightly shorter timeframe, so most data should be incorporated within 3-4 days I would guess.

Thanks for that GG, enjoy your breakfast.

AmericanBulldog

7:41 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There is one curious change in the serps, all those sites using special characters at the begining of their page title have dissapeared.

dirkz

7:43 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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AmericanBulldog, where have they disappeared?

At www and ww-in there are still sites in TOP 10 with special characters in the title.

killipso

7:43 pm on Nov 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Dirkz for the welcome.
Ok gonna go read some books on anti-gravity and relax for a few days.
Just confused as the update according to GG was suppose to get rid of spammers and keyword linkers not make them 1 thru 6.
Anyways thanks for the reponse.
Dan
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