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Update Florida - Nov 2003 Google Update

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2:29 pm on Nov 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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www-in is showing some major shifting in all the serps I follow.. anyone else seeing this? These results were showing yesterday as well, but synced with the others late in the afternoon.

The results look really good.. hopefully this will reflect across all the datacenters soon. Seems like the spammier sites I compete against have moved down while the good honest pages have moved up.

3:15 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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One trend I noticed after this 'Florida Effect' is that for many of the competitive keywords (where we lost the top rankings) the sites with dmoz listing is now buried down, which earlier use to be on the top..

anyone else experiencing this..

3:18 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Our sector is the same Nov 16 for top postions, we are nowhere to be found, unless we call the page name directly in google.

Googlebot indexed our index page plus a few others yesterday morning, but no sign of a new date stamp.

3:30 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes, hopefully this might move things. DomEsme was the other way round, freshtags = horrific snapped lift cable style drops,leaving a sick squirmy feeling in the stomach.

On another note - indented results sure do seem to be the order of the day!

[edited by: James_Dale at 3:35 pm (utc) on Nov. 17, 2003]

3:34 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Good observation, LogicMan. My missing index page also lacks a fresh tag.
3:35 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My index page has a fresh tag (16th) but still doesn't appear as normal.
3:36 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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wouldn't worry about -in too much.

Google isn't in the top 100 for search engine. Although, given the current state of G, maybe Yahooligans does deserve to outrank google for this query :)

The oddest part about this update is sites in very specific areas with little to no optimisation tactics are simply missing from relevant serps.

There may very well be data issues as there were during the spring.

[edited by: mfishy at 3:40 pm (utc) on Nov. 17, 2003]

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Having looked at allintitle which gives us #27 we checked allintext which we cannot find ourselves listed.

allintext looks nearly the same as the standard listings, so we are thinking that titles are not fully included in the search now

3:38 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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nb. my old index page is still showing under major searwords
3:41 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just noticed that for our main 3 keyword phrase, that the results have changed from 5,000,000 results to just 788,000. My index page dropped from #4 to the mid 50s. From 1-50 I am seeing several sites that are repeating, several completely non-relevent sites, and some sites that have not been updated in over 4 years.

Guess Ill go back to work and give it another day or two.

3:44 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Allinnachor, allintext and allintitle in -va and -in return
an much older cache of my index page although before the update freshbot changed it twice for a fresher version.

They say when changing the algo they use an older dataset which they think is more *stable*.

Does this probably mean that fresher content is soon to come and push out some old content in the SERPS?

Is that what's implied in GG's "3-4 days to settle" note?

3:49 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<< They say when changing the algo they use an older dataset which they think is more *stable*. >>

By all means, do it, but why not use www2, www3 as was the case before?

Trigger-happy, I'd say -- never was a good idea.

3:57 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When I do a search with some keywords where my site was on the first page before Florida, the page doesn't appear. However, when I add "&fliter=0" to the end of the URL and press enter, my result appears on that page.

Is anyone else seeing this?

Can anyone explain exactly what filter=0 does?

4:06 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We now have 3 #1 postions for keywords that never came anywhere before, this doesn't help much as the keywords for the core business don't work anymore.
4:09 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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mfishy

Maybe Google needs to be optimised - any volunteers?
:)

Search engine they are no 3
As you say search engines - nowhere
:)

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4:13 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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hehe, I was referring to www-in, where google is nowhere on search engine

[www-in.google.com...]

Just joking around with it...

4:23 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Napoleon said a while back:

a) Most webmasters recognizing there is something wrong
b) They complain repeatedly in volume
c) Google goes into denial
d) The odd webmaster whose sites have stayed firm or have benefitted claims the index is cleaner
e) GG seizes upon this as evidence that all is fine
f) The majority continue to point out problems. The vast majority notice good sites falling away for no apparent reason (at least in terms of quality reasons)
g) GG goes relatively quiet
h) Some in the outside world also start to notice something isn't right
i) The hum on this board continues but at lower volume
j) The word outside is still spreading

Eventually, at least previously:

k) Google eventually takes steps to address the exect problems which were spelt out on here on day 1.

I'd say we are at G) now.

4:26 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think most like between G but closer to H

:)

4:42 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Believing GG there are 2 more days to lie in wait...

I lost a great deal of some quality SE achievements just on the eve of turning a bunch of potential targeted optimization applicants into clients.

No presents for Xmas :(

4:47 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I noticed dropped my index pages, though the internal pages are still showing. I am not sure what to do.
Suggestions?
4:50 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's natural that we would test new methods by using a known base of backlinks, but that shouldn't be discouraging to people--backlinks are the sort of data that Google could bring back in over a relatively short time frame.

Update: Dominic

Backlinks have not changed, and due to the arractic changes of this update I strongly believe their is more to come!

:)


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