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The results look really good.. hopefully this will reflect across all the datacenters soon. Seems like the spammier sites I compete against have moved down while the good honest pages have moved up.
Does this dance mean that Google is back to regular Dances instead of the constant update?
I'm not convinced we ever actually achieved a *total* constant update, just very regularly freshly included pages, but PR and Backlinks (the major determining factors for competitive terms) were never constantly updated.
This looks like a good old fashioned update - still waiting in PR and Backward links to get factored in.
[edited by: subway at 7:53 pm (utc) on Nov. 15, 2003]
All in all I see no major panic.
Again, a great reason to have your AdWords program in place to protect your revenues when major changes occur.
I checked one keyword that was infested with bloggerspam links yesterday and it looks like they're wiped out. Still saw some guestbookspam links, though.
Just wondering what the experts on bloggerspam are seeing. Was about to throw my white hat into the trash and get a black one with all the success bloggerspammers and guestbookspammers are having. Maybe I should hold off.
At 12/13 Nov googlebots hit us very hard.
The site is a shop and googlebot grabbed ~ 3000 + 7000 pages.
Traffic trippled on 14th! :)
The pages have been online but due to low PR didn't get crawled before.
At the same time a friend of mine had exactly the same ... effect.
He got ~ 5000 pages crawled that have been online long before.
I'd say Google updated PR internally already and crawled us deeper because of our new PR.
P.S.: location: germany
Not gone I'll bet... just gone for your main words and phrases. Do a search on other quoted phrases from within that page.
It's like the old missing index problem. Many index pages are down graded for terms and phrases you would expect them to appear on. In their place, inner pages of big sites (rather like the second Google problem of some months ago with repsect to Amazon, etc), which are generally less focused or relevant.
We've been here before:
a) Most webmasters recognizing there is something wrong
b) They complain repeatedly in volume
c) Google goes into denial
d) The odd webmaster whose sites have stayed firm or have benefitted claims the index is cleaner
e) GG seizes upon this as evidence that all is fine
f) The majority continue to point out problems. The vast majority notice good sites falling away for no apparent reason (at least in terms of quality reasons)
g) GG goes relatively quiet
h) Some in the outside world also start to notice something isn't right
i) The hum on this board continues but at lower volume
j) The word outside is still spreading
Eventually, at least previously:
k) Google eventually takes steps to address the exect problems which were spelt out on here on day 1.
I'd say that we are currently between c and e at this point.
I suppose k is a plus, because they have at least previously got there, albeit after a lengthy delay. The pity is though, that we keep having to head down this same path.
Napoleon well said :)
I could not agree more.
None of my sites are spam and have plenty of content, but they have gone all over the place.
pages within the site are higher ranked then the index page.
Their are some very big issues with this update (not that it hasn't finished so we may be jumping the gun a bit)
Just sit tight and if nothing changes then shout a bit more.
Can anyone tell if the blogspammers and guestbookspammers are taking a hit?
Not from what I see.
My blogspamming competators are still running the show for my keywords.
However, I think the 15 minutes of fame is almost over for these guys.
When I check their backlinks in the blogs, most of the blog webmasters have removed the links!
Thanks for the information. Previously I advised not to panic, so I won't but I've decided be smart and call in sick for Monday & Tuesday. No sense going to that 10th floor office and risk facing a boss that is panicing.
If you think it is going to go longer, can you advise so I can get a doctor's note (required for more than 2 days absences)
Q. Why are all the index pages missing
A. Because that's where 99% of backward links point to and the majority of primary and secondary keyword targeting occurs.
They are simply missing because they haven't yet been accounted for, but they will. Index pages are far to important to abolish altogether. What we are seeing now is red raw results without PR and BL's and it gives off the impression that the SERPS are missing huge amounts of info.
PS this thread does not count toward posts anymore :)
But, GG, have to ask - is this a sign we are going back to a monthly update cycle - with some fresh listings in between? Must admit, forgot how "entertaining" these google update threads were!
I guess you don't understand that money is made or lost with each update
You should be designing your business model, so you make money regardless if you are in google or not. Sure it, nice to make more money when you are riding the top of the google wave, but I want to make sure im profitable with or without google. Diversification is the key.