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The results look really good.. hopefully this will reflect across all the datacenters soon. Seems like the spammier sites I compete against have moved down while the good honest pages have moved up.
joined:Nov 9, 2003
As for 'There is no spam' this statment leaves me baffled.
It's like saying that all top athletes are cheats; and there's no distinction between a cheat who takes drugs, and a 'cheat' who works, thinks and trains hard.
[edited by: superscript at 5:03 pm (utc) on Nov. 15, 2003]
superscript, I happen to agree with you. I think that there's such a thing as spam, and it lies outside our quality guidelines. Other people on this forum disagree or have their own opinion.
[edited by: soapystar at 5:04 pm (utc) on Nov. 15, 2003]
joined:Apr 13, 2002
I've seen white hat index pages that have been solidly in the top 3 positions for particular searchterms since Google began. They've been that relevant for that long. Today they are not in the top 100 and probably not in the results at all.
Ditto. I'm looking at the serps, and they don't look too bad, but definitely worse on certain searches.
When I said 'there is no spam' - I mean that. There are poor algos sure, but spam? - In who's opinion?
If it's G's opinion, cool. You guys do a pretty good job, it could certainly be beeter though. I just mean that if a webmaster is doing somthing you don't agree with, it's not up to you to do anything about it.
It's G's job.
... I hope :o ...
[edited by: subway at 5:08 pm (utc) on Nov. 15, 2003]
I have a page that has been ranked #1 & #2 ever since I've been watching and it is gone completely. It can not be found even under very detailed key word searches. However, this happend once before (April or May) and then it reappeared and has stayed #1 since.
Well, I have to go to the office (10th floor) and bring my offic computer home (2 floors), so if this is not resolved by Monday I'm not tempted.
I'm happy for anyone to define spam anyway they want, or even to claim that it doesn't exist. I think Google has some pretty clear examples of what we consider spam in our quality guidelines, and people who think that there is no such thing as spam should still be aware of our quality guidelines. ;)
My competitors who are playing well all the time (since I even start maing my current site) fall a lot off. What he is doing is linking to his own site in his large domain farm!
But, when I search for obscure terms that use random words from title that don't make sense together, sites are ranking.
[edited by: textex at 5:24 pm (utc) on Nov. 15, 2003]
Shame when the good guys get hit. All we can do is sit tight, afterall, google wants the index to be great as do we and as GoogleGuy correctly points out, some will be happy and others will not be. Just a shame that good guys are currently seeing their sites disappear or drowning in the basement of the SERPS for once good ranking searches.
joined:Nov 20, 2000
Sorry... I don't agree.
The update is a BIG step backwards. Very much like the major hiccup we had a few months ago.
Yes, it looks like index pages are suffering again. And/or larger sites have inner (in many cases not relevant) pages flying high. A sort of re-run of the SpAmazon fiasco but with a different twist.
Many industry leading sites have gone as a result. No ifs or buts, sites that everyone expects to see there are no more.
For me, the decision is clear already. Wearing white hats is almost as likely to end in tears as wearing black ones. I'm heading back to black.... at least if you take a fall then you can actually accept that you deserve it.
The update does Google no favors at all.
I was number 1 for thousands of different search terms, and have 10's of thousands of pages. It seems my homepage has vanished completely, and i'm not appearing in the top 500 for any searches i try, even with filter=0, and traffic pretty much went to 0. I haven't spammed my site, so i'm wondering if should i file a report or are there more changes to the serps coming..?