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Update Austin - January 24, 2004

on DC: 216.239.37.99

         

paulk

5:22 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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DC: [216.239.37.99...] Major Shuffle, looking worse then ever, results look very bad, anyone seeing this?

too much information

3:37 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The directory sites have started to fall in my searches, but now I'm seeing the old keyword filled spam pages hitting the top.

Could this be a bubble sort algo, and we are seeing the results go from worst to best very slowly?

At this rate the good stuff should be up either tonight or tomorrow by lunch!

Robert123

3:39 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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although the above member posted the link to aol search, it does seem like it is going members only.

rfgdxm1

3:39 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

chubba

3:39 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I can search fine from AOL . co uk, same sort of directory tack that google is passing out as search results at the mo'.

If I am looking for a used widget why do i only get review sites for widgets?

Bah.

Come on Google Guy, show yer face.

With love,

Chubba

pshea

3:49 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>Ready to call it done?<<

No, I think we have 48 more hours, I think G is trying something new right now and in two days will switch back to yesterday's results.

Chelsea

4:01 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)



The Internet soothsayers were saying Wednesday (for some bizarre reason) - but now it's going to be Thursday...

Where does everyone get this inside information ;)

yankee

4:08 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yahoo switched back to Pre-Florida results not too long ago. So to the few who actually think the new Google algo is better, Yahoo got rid of the Florida/Austin algo. It's crap. Broad matching produces TERRIBLE results...Google knows it, Yahoo knows it, the world knows it.

fhugh

4:19 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well I've noticed two of my sites, <snip> going mad over the past few days.

Previous to this if you did a search on google.ie and selcted 'results from ireland only' when searching with <keyword1>, the site was ranked #1. Similarly if you typed in '<keyword1> forums' on a google-wide search on google.com, that section was first page'd. But now both are gone.

I must admit I was a bold boy and had some keywords hidden in there, maybe a bit too much, and I dont really need them.

So I've removed them for now, along with trimming the <title> tag and a few other things and i'll see in a week (give it time to settle down) how I'm doing.

H

[edited by: ciml at 11:09 am (utc) on Jan. 28, 2004]
[edit reason] No specifics please. [/edit]

Robert123

4:20 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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has anyone seen any of the serp's from, say google.it, etc find their way to any of the main servers in the us.

The results seem to be much better on google.it/google.fr

anyone seen this/

SEOQuestions

4:21 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Haven't seem the migration but I agree that .fr looks much better than .com

shasan

4:22 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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those are the pre-austin results. The same is happening many other non-english serps, even .ca french.

SEOQuestions

4:25 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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They look pre-Florida to me. My new favorite top ten result on google now for my keyphrase:

Not Found
The requested URL /country/xb.html was not found on this server.

Robert123

4:25 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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shasan,
I must disagree with the statment that the google.fr is showing preausting results. They are definetly closer to preaustin results, but our website has not been on the first page for serps for our most important key phrases ever. google.it shows us at number 3.

They are definetly differnt

Brett_Tabke

4:33 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Lets stay away from specific searches please.

Use "examples" and "widgets" if you must.

We are not getting into the spam report business whatsoever.

ntrance

4:38 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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shasan and robert123 - our site is only 2 months old and has never had an appearance in Google on a keyword search for our most popular KW.

Yesterday on .fr, .de, .it, .es etc we were ranking first page - but no where in the listings on google.com or any of the IP's etc.

I have no idea whats going on, sometimes I'm excited, other times I'm totally despondent!

bronco

4:40 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Austin has brought one of my sites back from the Florida wipeout (around 150) to around 20 for main KW1 KW2 search after adding only a few links. However, Austin has now removed site#2 from #3 spot for its kw1 kw2 kw3 search that had survived Florida. Thought i had been doing something right with site2 only to be gone from the results. Back and forth, back and forth....

GodLikeLotus

4:42 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google.it seems to be showing the old index.

pearl

4:45 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Tried a major 2 word kw1 kw2 combo to try to get some Austin hints:

- The #1 result is a deep page(not their home page)
- meta desc or meta kw lines do not exist (hmm.. maybe I should try this)
- title does not have the word "kw1" in it
- the combo "kw1 kw2" is in the text only 2 times
- PR of only 5

The #2 result is PR6 and #3 is PR7

Austin is taking us to the Wild Wild West.

Robert123

4:46 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ntrance--
Our site switched servers and was launched mid december. The same is the case for our company, as the foreign serps are showing us in the top 3 on the first page while we range from serp: 12-40 on .com

I am over the "getting excited phase"--just have to wait--- i would be a little more excited if i saw some of the foreign results (fr.it) over here.

who knows

Kennyh

4:50 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If broad matching is at the heart of Austin, and it's still too early to be sure, it makes a lot of sense from G's point of view. In theory it should improve the results by giving searchers what they're looking for even when they don't get the search term exactly right.

Problem is, while it's working (or seems to be) to a small degree, it's opened a whole new can of worms which is harming SERPs. I have targetted some common mis-spellings, like many people, and have been pretty successful for the last 18 months or so. Now, post-Austin, G is in some cases smart enough to spot the mis-spelling and serve up the pages that would have been served up had the keyword been spelled 'correctly' That's great for searchers and while it ends the nice run of doing well from mis-spellings for me, I don't mind because it improves G as a search engine and that has to be good for everybody.

What sticks in my craw is that although broad matching has succeeded on a very small scale, there are still many sites with the misspellings high up the results but which have little or no relevancy. Whereas I, for no reason I can determine, seem to have been penalised. Some spam has gone with Austin but it's been replaced in most cases with different spam. And also, as a partial result, there are more shopping comparison results than ever. How many times on one page do I need to be offered the opportunity to compare pricing for blue widgets? It's in the sponsored results, adwords adds, and several times in the SERPs.

While broad matching is a lovely idea, I can't believe that G has introduced an algo which attempts to second guess searchers needs in such a half-baked state (if it has, of course).

shasan

4:52 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"making a widget" on .com and "making a widget" on .fr return the same top 10 results.

However, making a widget (without quotes) on both returns drastically different top 10 results.

Also, I noticed that making a widget (sans quotes) on .fr has results very similar to "making a widget" on .fr

This is the behaviour .com exhibited pre-update, at least for what I was typing in.

My guess is the behaviour will be the same in all the non-english sites. Which leads me to believe that the update is not live on .fr / .it, but that is just conjecture at this point.

c1bernaught

5:00 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sit back... try to relax. Watching the serps will not help.

We'll get to analyze when the dancing is done...

Robert123

5:02 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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can anyone comment on whether the update has been seen or is being shown on google.it or google.fr?

shasan

5:08 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We'll get to analyze when the dancing is done...

Now where's the fun in that? ;)

Atawolf

5:15 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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google.it and google.fr are still showing the "regional results".

Atawolf

5:19 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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***
My guess is the behaviour will be the same in all the non-english sites. Which leads me to believe that the update is not live on .fr / .it, but that is just conjecture at this point.
***

But Shasan, wouldn't they just show pre-austin results then? These are totally different results from last week.

lazyz

5:20 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Prior to Florida, Google was 90 percent of my trafic. With this last update, Google is 10 percent or less (waiting for the dance to finish). Maybe it's time to get back to the basics of Brett's post "
Successful Site in 12 Months with Google Alone
"

Thanks to the last couple of updates, I don't depend on Google as much as I use to. We may have to all get use to that idea.

Miop

5:25 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I haven't read the thread - too busy.
Just to report that post-florida I lost all my top two kw positions, but retained most 3 kw positions - I have now lost those too.

shasan

5:26 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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But Shasan, wouldn't they just show pre-austin results then? These are totally different results from last week.

I thought I WAS seeing pre-austin results.. they look very last-week to me. But, other people have also said that the regional results are different from .com but also different from last week.

Is it possible for .com to go live with certain updates while the regions go live with something different? curiouser and curiouser.

mquarles

5:27 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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J-Lo could have . . . and not created this much of a fuss.

Wouldn't have affected anyone's food money. This does.

MQ

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