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Update Austin - January 24, 2004

on DC: 216.239.37.99

         

paulk

5:22 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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DC: [216.239.37.99...] Major Shuffle, looking worse then ever, results look very bad, anyone seeing this?

djgreg

9:37 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sid:
I have a small highly targetted site. It has about 400 pages divided in 5 subdomains and it is an commercial site.
It hasn't lost it's #1 position in florida and it hasn't now.
But I don't know why!
If I could figure out I would do that to all my sites but I don't know.

ok, enough crying ;-)

does anybody see the new results on yahoo?
I can see a very different set of results on yahoo, which look very nice, but I can't find them on any dc.

But they have to be somewhere, otherwise yahoo couldn't show them, couldn't they?
Or does their search point not to a dc but to something different?

Herenvardo

9:39 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don't know how has Austin been for you, but it has saved my job!
Florida sent me to the abbyss. After getting a couple of high PR links, I reappeared again in #550.
Now a new update puts me at #68, and in few days I'm #46.
As conclussion, I like Austin more than Florida ;) :P

Greetings,
Herenvardö

george123

9:52 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The Austin Update effected the results only in the English speaking countries the rest of the word has the same results just before Austin check a key word or a term in all other googles at [google.com...]

djgreg

9:53 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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george123 definitly not correct.
germany is affected massively, too!

Powdork

9:53 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"Its just semantics."
No it isn't, and it goes to the heart of the matter for some folks.
Yes it is, and please don't talk down to me or anyone else just because you think we're not doing well in Google.
To the point. To optimize your web site is to make it rank higher than it does without optimization, and inherently problematic for a search engines ranking system.
If your page is titled "keyword" and you rank #50 for the search 'keywords' and you change your title to "keywords" and you move up to #40 with the new cache and you then change it to "keywords at keywords.com" and you move up to #5 and then the links come in with anchor of 'keywords' and you move up to #1 you have effectively optimized your site for old Google. It was trial and error and you could do it quickly with the freshbot visits. Then came Florida and you felt a need to change things and it appears the things that were previously rewarded are now considered over the top, you may want to reign things in a bit. So you UNDO the some of the optimization techniques you tried and were rewarded for previously. You have deoptimized your page, which only implies a reversion back to a previous state. Whether this is a correct way to go or not is a separate issue from whether those of us who use the term have 'TOLD' you or those in your industry something.
Using tactics the search engine does not look favorably on is NOT optimization.
Yes but it goes like this
carrot carrot carrot carrot hammer
Things are constantly changing a little bit, even though the bedrock guidelines that Google lays out stay the same.
Tell that to someone who followed the guidelines but just dropped from one to off the map. Googles bedrock is subject to liquefaction.
And I'm doing quite well thank you.

berkan

9:54 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK
Which sites have completed the update.
google.co.uk or the others like.fr.de.jp

elmarpanzenberger

9:56 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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And not just Germany - Italian SERPS are too, affected even austrian and swiss portals (althoug i think they might be quite the same as the german ones).

Dayo_UK

9:58 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)



Berkan

That is the $64,000 question. IMO.

Personally I would expect the English speaking Google to align with the other countries or the other way around - which one is closer to the final updated serps - who knows at this stage.

However, there is no gaurantee that they will align.

djgreg

10:06 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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For the last 24 hours I haven't recognized any changes, no matter which country, altough I do not monitor .fr or.jp that much.

GoogleGuy very quiet these days...

1milehgh80210

10:06 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In this update, Google has effectively eliminated the smaller sites"<<
I dont know exactly how this will effect webmasters future efforts, but I hope it doesnt lead to more bloated sites full of useless pages.
As a searcher, I'd rather find information on a smaller site (full of genuine expertise), than filler sites.

esset1999

10:08 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Where is GoogleGuy in all this? Does he hang out in the supporters forum these days?

glitterball

10:11 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just noticed that a Map for sale on Amazon.com is coming up in the top 10 for nearly every search for the Travel destination that I am in.

Maybe this is what Joe Surfer really wants to see?

IMHO this is not segregating Commercial and Information sites.

>Where is GoogleGuy in all this? Does he hang out in the supporters forum these days?

I think if I was GG, I would wait until the rowdy natives calmed down a bit.

soapystar

10:43 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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SUGGESTION: biggest resource for Google to filter for SEO is......Webmasterworld.....

remember what they said during world war II?

Loose talk costs lives...

replace lives with websites and maybe we may be getting somewhere?

salmo

11:31 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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1milehgh80210

My point exactly, I am now working on beefing up my sites with "useless" information which is available on any number of other sites just in order to compete with the big portal sites. Google apparently discourages webmasters from doing something purely for the search engines but what else can we do if we are to survive?

Google are themselves contributing to the problem by creating a scenario where only large sites will be ranked.

staatz

11:35 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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hi there,

the serps from google and yahoo still differs for me and i just noticed, that some of my KW shows pretty old results from 2003. anyone with the same probs?

Jazzy

11:36 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sure hope when all this is finished google is more relavant. Although it had it's share of spam before all these recent changes, you could still sift through that and easily find what you wanted. I've been getting frustrated for the first time in years with all the inexact and irrelavant results and I too have went to several other engines. Yahoo and Altavista have been much better than google. Honestly. I know yahoo has googles results, but they are like pre Florida google. Much better.

steveb

11:41 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It may be news for some, but the Internet is a huge place, and in general bigger sites will and should have an advantage. It gets back to all other things being equal, having one more incoming link makes them unequal. It has to be that way. Google can't be saying "oh we need to serve of two sites with less than 20 pages in the top ten". That's no criteria for anything.

Small sites can still compete, but it is worth mentioning again what one Google representitive said, suggesting building larger sites not lots of microsites. The brave new world is that people who bought a zillion domains to target a zillion words went and did something not useful. Domains with deep, rich content, that earn authority from a *wide variety* of sources seem to be, and should be, given a positive value in contrast to a web of microsites that serve to target keywords rather than user trust.

Complaining about large, high quality, comprehensive sites being at the top of the serps is not going to get a sympathetic ear from Google or the public. This is Google's homerun. Improving the authority of their serps, addressing some of its huge spam problems (that overwhelm other engines), having most of the "worst" of its serps simply be semi-relevant authoritative sites, they are now in great position for their IPO.

They certainly aren't "done" by any means, but the quality of serps in my main spamhell niche are honestly inspirationally better, which makes me hopeful that other areas that have had more problems will similarly be improved over the next couple months.

montenegro

11:44 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I totally lost all my positions for ALL my keywords. I sell a herbal (expensive) product. As posted earlier in this thread, I see no commercial sites among top 10 for my keywords. I used to be No.5 (No. 2 of commercial sites). Discovered by accident when I add the word "BUY" before my keywords my site appears in the top 10. This was not the case before this update.

Atawolf

11:53 am on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If Google were happy about Austin they would have integrated the results to the regional Googles by now.

The results there are still very different.

elmarpanzenberger

12:00 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Even the www3 and www3 give different results and quite none of the other DS's can be reached from here (ITA).
So there's no end in sight by now.

Nicke

12:01 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It is confirmed that this datacenter (216.239.37.99) is going to be the final result? I really like the current SERPs in other DC where I now have better PR, SERPs and increased backlinks and more contents indexed, since Jan 24.

I really hope this is not the new SERPs.

Brett_Tabke

12:26 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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> The chaos has been in commerce. Can anyone deny that

Of course it is commerce - The web has become 90% dominated by ecommerce. Google can't breath without affecting commerce. There aren't 10% of the searches any more where someone can't make some sort of money off the keyword. They can't change a period on a serp without affecting commerce.

>over optimization

Bovine Scatology. The #'1's on most of the kw's I follow are heavily optimized.

>finalized

Ready to call it done?

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 2:28 pm (utc) on Jan. 27, 2004]

merlin30

12:39 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"There aren't 10% of the searches any more where someone can't make some sort of money off the keyword. They can change a period on a serp without affect commerce."

With Adsense make that 0%!

steveb

12:46 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The Austin results have been on .it, .fr and .es from the beginning, and have been on .de half the time. Maybe some of the smaller regionals are lagging but the big ones are all moving along concurrently with the rest of Google.

Atawolf

12:51 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Only if you include hl=en
Use the original language de or es and you will see something else.

steveb

12:56 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don't know what search engine you are looking at.

The original languages have been updated from the beginning and still are.
[google.it...]
etc.

Atawolf

12:58 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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[google.it...]

and

[google.it...]

Give 2 very different results here. Totally different.

djgreg

12:58 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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atawolf:
because the first one searches only in italian pages, the second one searches "The Web"

[edited by: djgreg at 1:00 pm (utc) on Jan. 27, 2004]

steveb

12:59 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There are no "pure info searches", and yes I've seen sites affected that dealt with education and other non-commerce informational areas. They just don't generate comments though.

Dayo_UK

1:05 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)



I agree with Atawolf - different results from the regional Google depending on langauge selection. (I think both have updated results though)

Although Atawolf example looks the same to me, how about trying these serps.

[google.de...]

[google.de...]

There are countless examples of this.

[edit] Posted the same time as Atawolf example[/edit]

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