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Update Austin - January 24, 2004

on DC: 216.239.37.99

         

paulk

5:22 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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DC: [216.239.37.99...] Major Shuffle, looking worse then ever, results look very bad, anyone seeing this?

AlexKing

1:07 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>Has anyone seen a pure info site go from top ten to sub-10,000?<

Yes. 100+ of my pure info sites gone from 1-5 positions to nowhere. All of them are travel related. No outbound links at all. No ads. Just some hotels description.

djgreg

1:12 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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the only difference I can see is that in the regional search some .org .net .com domains do not show. Of course they don't because you said "I want sites from germany"

Essex_boy

1:23 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Im seeing more European visitors from google, mainly Italy and Germany.

Atawolf

1:29 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Im seeing more European visitors from google, mainly Italy and Germany.
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That's probably because we're seeing different results than the rest of you.
Only European regional Google giving me Austin results is google.co.uk, all the others give me SERPs similar to pre-Florida.

elmarpanzenberger

1:29 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just noticed on www2, which has by far more pages indexed of one of my websites, that pages not indexed in www show "supplemental result" after the pagesize in the SERPS.
Is this new? I never noticed that before (but honestly i didn't even look after it).

shaadi

1:31 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I had been on a vacation for last four days and had no access to a PC with Internet connection. When I came to the office, found out that there has been an major update. Now its no point going through the 16 pages thread. Can anyone be kind, to post briefly about - what happened?

I might look a bit silly here but I thought there is no harm in posting this. Any help appreciated and thanks in advance.

steveb

1:45 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Atawolf read the above posts to see your mistake. You are comparing apples and oranges. Those searches don't have anything to do with each other. Austin is on the non-english datacenters, with the exception of moving on and off some occasionally.
[216.239.37.99...]
same as
[google.it...]

merlin30

1:49 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I also see pre-Florida results on other regional datacentres, even when selecting their "search the web" option.

Searching from .co.uk or .com gives the Austin results.

anime_otaku

1:50 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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re:msg #483
the poster's trying to point out that having your serps set to have english navigation invokes "austin" results but having the navigation set to foreign languages invokes "normal" results. looks that way from the words i keep constant track of.

merlin30

1:57 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Steveb,

The point about the non-English datacentres is this:

I go to www.google.de and choose the search the web option. The results I get back are totally different from going to www.google.co.uk and choosing the search the web option. The same happens if I choose .fr or .it.

Now, in all cases I've asked Google to search the web, not restrict the search to pages from that region - so why is Google returning a different set of results when searhing the web from .co.uk when compared with searching the web from .de (.fr, .it etc)?

Dayo_UK

2:00 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)



Exactly Merlin.

However, I am 99% sure that they are showing a *version* of an updated index.

steveb

2:02 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Click the links in 490. The first is the url where Austin results were discovered. The second link is Google in Italian. Same... results. Same goes for other languages. Substitute 216.239.37.99 for www.google.fr and see. Can we move on now?

Atawolf

2:04 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I agree Dayo_UK.

And to me that version is a lot better and more relevant than the US Austin version. It looks pre-Florida.

steveb

2:06 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google is showing four different sets of Austin results. Those are the differences.

Refreshing pages repeatedly and you can often go from one data set to another (and none of them are remotely pre-florida that I have seen).

[edited by: steveb at 2:07 pm (utc) on Jan. 27, 2004]

djgreg

2:06 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm sorry, but in my industry and in general I nowhere see pre-austin results except yahoo.de

merlin30

2:07 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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No steveb, we can't move on because you haven't got it.

Those links to which you refer are choosing the "regional search" option. I'm not talking about that option - I'm talking about the "search the web option"

The "search the web" option from .de (.fr, .it) gives totally different results from the search the web option from .co.uk.

steveb

2:09 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You are talking about something different.

What you are talking about is just seeing the different Austin results. That is happening on Google.com too. In other words, they are all acting the same, dancing between a few groups of data.

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just ran through them all again. Search the web .it, .fr. .es showing the various Austin result groups. .de showing pre-Austin for me now, though it has been showing usually post-Austin since the update began. Perhaps somepeople somewhere are managing to get the pre-Austin stuff on a datacenter wherever they are geolocated, but that is just part of the normal datacenter updating/shifting.

salmo

2:16 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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steveb
...large, high quality, comprehensive sites being at the top of the serps ...

If the sites that were at the top of the serps were good quality I would find it easier to live with but the sad fact is that they are not, a lot of them are just plain terrible and many are completely irrelevant. In my area some of the sites being returned at the top are on a different continent but they are large and they have loads of links.

encyclo

2:19 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The SERPS are still different on google.ca depending on whether you choose English or French as your preferred language - although as I said in a previous message, I'm not sure the French index is the Florida index, or a newer one.

.ca English is definitely showing Austin. I have one (English language) site which was 69th for a single keyword search (the site's name) in Florida. I've now got the number 1 position (yay!) for the English SERPS, and number 3 for the French results. Interestingly, the 1 and 2 spot on the French results are a French language site at no. 1, and a Swedish language site at no.2. Are Google filtering SERPS depending on your the language you choose to view the Google site? I have "search the web" selected, not "pages from Canada" or "Pages francophones".

Note, this is not a competitive keyword, with only 109000 results, so it may be all meaningless anyway!

Dayo_UK

2:19 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)



Steveb

Yep, perhaps we are seeing different things.

I just checked fr,es,it and de again - these datacentres all match on all the web search.

.com and .co.uk, .co.nz, ca (english language) also all match each other - but they are different from the non-english language results.

[edited by: Dayo_UK at 2:20 pm (utc) on Jan. 27, 2004]

steveb

2:19 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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And thirty seconds later .de zips back to Austin results.

So to answer Brett's question: "Ready to call it done?"

Nope.

merlin30

2:20 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I certainly agree that the data sets are shifting. Certainly for me (in the UK) doing a web search from a regional data centre (not .co.uk) constantly returns results that look more like pre-Florida - although they are showing fresh tags of Jan 25th.

Atawolf

2:25 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Steve_b we're seeing something different then.
Because the serps are VERY different from US Austin, and google.it .fi .dk .fr etc etc DO not give any variations when reloaded.

Something's up because normally it does not take this long for an update to hit our neck of the woods. And besides, the results aren't even pre-Austin, they're pre-Florida. So we're not talking about a slow update from Florida to Austin.

steveb

2:28 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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After several posts, let me say something differently... :)

I think we are all seeing different things, and since the datacenters are not as easy to check via one look now that makes it confusing since .de for example depending where you are could be being fed by several datacenters.

Anyway, personally I have seen at least four versions of Austin results for web search on .fr, .it, .es, .com and .de for two days. From here, only .de has ever slopped back to pre-Austin.

Kennyh

2:33 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm seeing exactly what Dayo and merlin report. But to me it looks more like post-Florida, pre-Austin results on de, fr, es, and it. Maybe Austin just hasn't been rolled out completely yet.

jojojo

2:42 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have a new site that is now ranking well in .fr .es .it etc

I have noticed almost all my sites have come back and are doing amazing in these foreign googles...

What are the chances these results will migrate to www?

prs10

2:44 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Relevancy is in question with some of the searches we have done...for example:

Search keyword phrase: web site positioning

The first two results on G are not even closely related to what people would be looking for. GPS Sites? I don't think so.....

Trax

3:01 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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the new foreign results are BY FAR so much better than the crap that was online up to now.

the quality of the index is no back to where it was

bronco

3:35 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Went to check Yahoo and Aol results, only to find AOL now is seemingly "member only". Could not find a way to get to their search function to test the Google results there. Anyone else seeing this?

sji2671

3:37 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)
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