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Update Austin - January 24, 2004

on DC: 216.239.37.99

         

paulk

5:22 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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DC: [216.239.37.99...] Major Shuffle, looking worse then ever, results look very bad, anyone seeing this?

vplaza

6:37 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Subway, I am seeing the same thing, I have never seen so many ref's from ATW. The search user is not stupid, they will look other places. I'm sure Google will get the message sooner or later.

warduck

6:44 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)



I wish they would bring back the snowman. It's colder now than ever. Its like children are running the show at google.

Warduck

Hissingsid

6:49 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Something very interesting... for the first time *ever* I have seen referrals today greater than 4-7% of total traffic from the likes of ask, ATW and AV. I almost fell off my seat when I saw Hotbot at 1% of all traffic. Does this actually mean the surfer is slowly waking up?

Hi,

Have your pages dropped from Google SERPs and could it just be that this greater percentage is from a smaller total? Just interested as if this did indicate a shift of SE usage I would see this as a very positive step, as long as the others don't start trying to get clever with their algos.

Best wishes

Sid

Kwix

6:54 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just my $.02. This "update" shows my site being up for my main 2 keyword money phrases, but out of placement for 3 word ones. However, one of my main competitor's sites is still ranking well. Too well IMHO for a frame page. The Big G still has a bit of work to do on the algo.

Essex_boy

6:57 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hissingsid:

Ive been saying that this going to be the case from May last year. No one listened.

We need stability and consistent search returns come on MR G.

TheFounder

7:05 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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BREAKING NEWS!

Not only did Google do this massive change, yahoo is now running Inktomi results now (They must of hated the new results)

coho75

7:08 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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TheFounder:

Where did you get your info from? I am still seeing the same serps on Yahoo as I am seeing on Google.

Brett_Tabke

7:12 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>yahoo

Been running them on/off for several months. Here is one thread of many:

[webmasterworld.com...]

TheFounder

7:12 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am getting all inktomi results right now... it's an almost EXACT look like Hotbot ...

TheFounder

7:14 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's more than just on/off ... it's been like this for about 3-4 hours now... they have done it in 20 min sessions before.... but now it's like for hours.. I think this Google update was the straw that broke the camel's back.

customdy

7:16 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Confirmed.
Just did a Yahoo search and was very pleased, #1 for top 5 keywords. Yahoo!
Wish these would stick. Come on Google, get with it.

Robert123

7:17 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I must disagree. Yahoo is still showing google powered results. I doubt they reacted this quickly to googles "dance"--especially considering it is not over.

They may show some inkomi, however, this appears to be the normal "testing".

TheFounder

7:19 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think it's more than normal testing.. Like I said before it was 20 min trys.. this has been going on for hours... Like it was said before as well.. They have been testing for months.. so it's not a big deal to make it more than a test and just turn it on... They had the technology (from the tests) to turn in on in 10 seconds.. I am still showing Inkitomi results as we speak.

I am not saying that they are going to stay here forever.. but this is the longest "Test" away from Google that they ever have done...

[edited by: TheFounder at 7:20 pm (utc) on Jan. 26, 2004]

nevetS

7:19 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Strange. I've been getting click throughs on keywords where I'm ranking 200-420 right now (monitoring referers in a live system)

Either people are getting frustrated and clicking to deep pages of results, or there are dramatically different results coming out.

I saw one from g.co.uk. I went to check it and I was listed at 350. I wonder if me going to g.co.uk gets different results than someone in the uk.

It's not just a random one either. Lots of referrers like this.

lasko

7:19 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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hmmmm....Not seeing any INK results only slight fluctuations due to the Google Update.

Have checked several times maybe they have increased the IP span so more people will see the INK results, unlike some of us we stay with Google at the moment.

Unless everyone is getting a little too much update fever and seeing a mini dance on Yahoo because of Googles results.

Going to make another cup of tea :)

too much information

7:20 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just did some analasys on a single set of keywords. (plural phrase) I compared the top 5 sites in the www, allinanchor, allintext and allintitle searches.

From what I was able to find. Links do not seem to be a factor right now. all sites range in # of links from 0 to 10 which I know is not right so I'm counting that as bad data.

for a site: search for the phrase the sites returned the following numbers of results:
www - 1, 0, 0, 0, 0
allinanchor - 22, 0, 9, 6, 1
allintext - 22, 0, 9, 19, 6
allintitle - 22, 0, 9, 19, 6

keyword density results:
www
#1 - singular 6.25%
#2 - singular 0.18%
#3 - site didn't load
#4 - 0%
#5 - singular 2.33%
allinanchor
#1 - plural 18.18%
#2 - plural 3.51%
#3 - singular 11.83%, plural 3.23%
#4 - plural 11.11%
#5 - site didn't load
allintext
#1 - plural 18.18%
#2 - plural 3.51%
#3 - singular 11.83%, plural 3.23%
#4 - singular 15.38%, plural 15.38%
#5 - plural 11.11%
allintitle
#1 - plural 18.18%
#2 - plural 3.51%
#3 - singular 11.83%, plural 3.23%
#4 - singular 15.38%, plural 15.38%
#5 - plural 11.11%

phrase appearing in Meta Keywords tag
www
#1 - not in Meta
#2 - once in Meta
#3 - site didn't load
#4 - no Meta tag
#5 - separate in Meta
allinanchor
#1 - once in Meta
#2 - not in Meta
#3 - once in Meta
#4 - separate in Meta
#5 - site didn't load
allintext
#1 - once in Meta
#2 - not in Meta
#3 - once in Meta
#4 - once in Meta
#5 - split in Meta
allintitle
#1 - once in Meta
#2 - not in Meta
#3 - once in Meta
#4 - once in Meta
#5 - split in Meta

For Title tags the phrase appeared once in all sites except not at all in #2 on www.

Also the Meta Description tag did not contain the phrase in any of the www results, but it was in the other results for the sites returning #1, #4 and #5.

I know this is only one set of terms, but from what I see it looks as if it is best to keep your density low and don't have your keywords in the head of the document at all. (except Title)

All this tells me is that this thing isn't over. Maybe I will go take time off until Wednesday!

TheFounder

7:24 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I know it's not Google Results because the site I was looking for is ranked like 200 down in the new Google update.. however in Hotbot (Inkatomi) it's on the first page..

Yahoo is still reporting Inkatomi results.

Hissingsid

7:25 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm still seeing Google results on both Yahoo.com and uk.Yahoo.com from the UK.

The change can't come too soon.

Best wishes

Sid

I'm off for a game of darts and 6 pints of ale!

Ledfish

7:32 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Like others, I'm seeing my traffic from other search engines like ATW and Yahoo climbing. I'm also seeing my traffic from Google falling almost proportionally. Not fast but pretty steady. I have reviewed and compared the overall search terms and they seem to be pretty much the same, just coming from other places. I've also been running an adwords campaign for 7 months and the impression statistics are going down as well.

Of course, what I'm seeing can only lead me to believe that searchers are looking elsewhere. Without having access to Googles traffic data, it would be impossible to confirm but I imagine that post Florida and now with the results of Austin propagating, people are just sick of the crappy results.

I just wonder if Google is seeing this trend or so busy playing with the algo that they are blind to what is really happening.

eclipse

7:33 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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google.pl is still showing the old results, but i checked google.co.uk serching for some polish keywords. The top 5 pages had kw density of about 4%. So I gues it time to cut the density to this level.

Robert123

7:35 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have not seen my results flucuate on google for over 2hrs now. Anyone else seeing widespread changes?

Robert123

7:37 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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what are the best keyword denisty tools?

Thanks
Robert

too much information

7:39 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm using Brett's

[searchengineworld.com...]

BallochBD

7:44 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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<It's strange: I had a friend state last night that he changed his homepage to AllTheWeb after struggling to find decent sites listed on Google. He is a member of the general public, he is not a webmaster. I have heard a few people state similar things. And this was the last update, not this current one! Google, what is going on?>

Exactly the same thing happened to me at the weekend. I was talking to a couple of non IT but computer literate people about something when I mentioned Google in a different context to this. One of them said that he no longer uses Google because, "the results are c*ap recently". He asked me if I had heard of Alltheweb because that was what he was now using (this is in the UK).

This person uses the Internet for shopping. He says that when he does a search for something he wants to come up with sites that supply it and can give him information on it. What he doesn't want is a list of directories and other spurious cr*p.

This is the best news I've heard since Mid November because it may be the first signs that Joe Public is now waking up to the fact that Google is gubbed! Hallelujah - spread the gospel! RIP Google?

Chelsea

7:47 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)



I'm getting some pages in a Yahoo search that are not listed by Ink - so I can't be seeing pure Ink results.

My referral ratio is now 2.6 : 7 Lycos:Google - highest I've ever seen it.

sji2671

7:48 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Of all the sites I have, only the ecommerce/selling websites seem to have taken this hit, the search results for most of my other business information websites remain the same.

Any website that has a shopping cart has had a terrible time since Sunday and is virtually non-existent in its search terms, even the business name!

One website that ranked no1. for its business name which was its domain name is out of the top100, yet the 2nd result on google is a website that links to it!

panic

7:50 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yahoo is still reporting Inkatomi results.

Yahoo! is slowly rolling over to Inktomi results, and will be switched out completely by the end of Q1.

However, Y! is not showing results from the 216.239.37.99 datacenter (luckily).

Robert123

8:01 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I saw someone post an answer to this in one of the strings, but it has gotten to long to find--

what is the easiest way to tell which google ip address is feeding results. I just saw another major shift in results. One that I have only seen one other time today.

Thanks

BallochBD

8:04 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Robert123,

What you should do is open your DOS window and enter the command c:\ping www.google.com. This will return the IP address you are getting.

berkan

8:36 pm on Jan 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I do not see my web site on google.co.uk and google.com but google.de,google.fr,google.it and google.jp

What does that mean.Does it mean that "google.de,google.fr,google.it and google.jp" have not completed the update.

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